The Jimbo thread - conspiracies gratefully accepted

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Postby Sneelock » 21 Oct 2017, 23:02

Jimbo wrote:Google "Las Vegas bullet holes."

Then Google "Syria bullet holes."


Then put your left foot in & put your left foot out.

Put your left foot in & shake it all about!
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Postby Count Machuki » 23 Oct 2017, 15:31

Trump tweeted in 2012: “If we didn't remove incredibly powerful fire retardant asbestos & replace it with junk that doesn’t work, the World Trade Center would never have burned down.”


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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 23 Oct 2017, 15:42

I'm pretty sure the WTC didn't 'burn down', Donald.
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Postby Count Machuki » 23 Oct 2017, 15:48

Harvey K-Tel wrote:I'm pretty sure the WTC didn't 'burn down', Donald.


Quiet, you. Jimbo's "researching"
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Postby Jimbo » 23 Oct 2017, 15:49

Count Machuki wrote:
Trump tweeted in 2012: “If we didn't remove incredibly powerful fire retardant asbestos & replace it with junk that doesn’t work, the World Trade Center would never have burned down.”


FOLLOW THE ASBESTOS, JIMBO


Quiet, you. Jimbo's "researching"
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Actually the asbestos hadn't yet been removed. Removal and replacement would have cost a fortune but it had to be done sooner than later because asbestos removal was/is mandatory in all public buildings. Conspiracy theorists say the high cost and inconvenience is one reason why the buildings were purposely brought down. The official story says the shock of the airplanes' hits knocked the blown-on asbestos off the steel girders which were then weakened by fire and precipitated the collapse - which is bullshit.
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Postby The Great Defector » 26 Oct 2017, 16:25

An oldie but a goodie for ya Jim.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41741216


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Postby Jimbo » 26 Oct 2017, 18:55

The Great Defector wrote:An oldie but a goodie for ya Jim.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41741216

JFK assassination: Questions that won't go away


But then dig the title, "JFK assassination: Questions that won't go away," and the asinine BBC doesn't pose any of those nagging questions.
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Postby Copehead » 27 Oct 2017, 09:53

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/las-vegas-shooting-conspiracy-theories-social-media

When Jimbos go bad.

Imagine getting shot in the head, escaping with your life only to be hounded off the internet by whackjobs who think you're an actor.

FFS :roll:
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Postby The Modernist » 27 Oct 2017, 11:55

New Kennedy files being released today, although apparently some of them are being held back for reasons of "security"...ho hum.

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Postby The Prof » 27 Oct 2017, 12:39

I wondered if this merited it's own thread but I thought a programme on C5 about a year ago presented a reasonable conclusion that the fatal bullet was fired by accident by one of the FBI security guards that were protecting the mortorcade.

They all heard Oswald's shots and drew their guns. One agent, with a finger a bit too heavy on the trigger, shot Kennedy in the head.

The theory seemed to tie up a lot of loose ends but I doubt that this new evidence will shed any light on that theory

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Postby Jimbo » 27 Oct 2017, 16:22

It was IRAN what did 9/11.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/26/t ... e-to-iran/

Were there mountains of FBI 302’s involving: Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 Hijackers being Iranians; some of those 9/11 hijackers visiting the Iran Consulate and Embassy; Iranian officials meeting the hijackers at U.S. airports and escorting them through border security; Iranian officials paying rent, opening checking accounts, and getting drivers’ licenses for the 9/11 hijackers; an Iranian–visa-express program; the Iranian Ambassador’s personal checks and/or wire transfers to the 9/11 hijackers; an Iranian support network inside the United States for the 9/11 hijackers that was made up of Iranian officials on the Iranian payroll; evidence of Iranian FBI informants; evidence of Iranian-connected imams counseling and providing support to the 9/11 hijackers; evidence of phone calls made between the Iranian Embassy and the 9/11 hijackers; Iran paying for plane tickets for the dry-runs of the 9/11 hijackers; Iranians in U.S. flight schools; and/or, Iranian funding of the training camps in Afghanistan.

Is that why the U.S. military went to Afghanistan immediately after the 9/11 attacks — to ferret out Iranian funded Al Qaeda training camps? Was Iran mentioned in its own 28-page suppressed chapter of the Joint Inquiry of Congress’ Investigation into the September 11th attacks? Were members of the Iranian Royal Family flown out of the United States in the hours after 9/11?

When Abu Zubaydah was captured, did he have the phone number of the Iranian Ambassador’s home in Aspen? Or the name and phone number of the Iranian King’s nephew who was living in the United States? Did Osama Basnan meet with an Iranian prince in Houston back in 2002 prior to that same Iranian Prince meeting President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas?

Were the Senate and House Intelligence Committees and Foreign Relations Committees briefed about this Iranian information and evidence? Did President Bush know this Iranian information when he started the war in Iraq? More recently, did President Obama know this Iranian information when he promoted and signed his nuclear treaty with Iran merely two years ago?

Of course not — BECAUSE ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE WAS ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA, NOT THE REPUBLIC OF IRAN.
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Postby Rayge » 27 Oct 2017, 16:30

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Postby Jimbo » 28 Oct 2017, 05:31

Rayge wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/27/jk-rowling-doesnt-exist-conspiracy-theories-internet-cant-resist


Just heard this definition of propaganda from Ron Placone on the Jimmy Dore Show. The quote is not Ron's. He is quoting someone else but says it's the best definition he's heard. I agree.

"Propaganda is something that prohibits a conversation by creating a caricature of the opposition."

That Guardian piece does just that. Now all "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracies" are wacko.
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Postby The Modernist » 28 Oct 2017, 08:34

Jimbo wrote:
Rayge wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/27/jk-rowling-doesnt-exist-conspiracy-theories-internet-cant-resist


Just heard this definition of propaganda from Ron Placone on the Jimmy Dore Show. The quote is not Ron's. He is quoting someone else but says it's the best definition he's heard. I agree.

"Propaganda is something that prohibits a conversation by creating a caricature of the opposition."

That Guardian piece does just that. Now all "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracies" are wacko.


I agree to some extent, although it is just meant to be a fun article.

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Postby Darryl Strawberry » 28 Oct 2017, 10:22

Much more interesting
http://uk.businessinsider.com/true-gove ... es-2013-12

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Postby The Modernist » 28 Oct 2017, 10:30

Darryl Strawberry wrote:Much more interesting
http://uk.businessinsider.com/true-gove ... es-2013-12

Although I did enjoy the article Rayge posted


good article which shows the danger of dismissing conspiracy theories simply on the grounds that they are conspiracy theories.

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Postby Jimbo » 28 Oct 2017, 11:07

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The corporate media have swiftly moved on from Peter Oborne's resignation as chief political commentator at the Telegraph and his revelations that the paper had committed 'a form of fraud' on its readers over its coverage of HSBC tax evasion.

But investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed has delved deeper into the HSBC scandal, reporting the testimony of a whistleblower that reveals a 'conspiracy of silence' encompassing the media, regulators and law-enforcement agencies. Not least, Ahmed's work exposes the vanity of the Guardian's boast to be the world's 'leading liberal voice'.
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Postby Jimbo » 18 Nov 2017, 13:22

The Boston bombing. Was it a false flag, an inside job? You know what I think and now something is happening which may validate my suspicion that the case you read about in the MSM was a crock of horse shit. A venerable lawyer has taken on retrying the case of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and a few days ago, according to Paul Craig Roberts

On November 11, Mr. Graham informed me that the Federal Appeals Court for the First Circuit granted his intervention of amicus curiae. This means that the Appeals Court will accept evidence that Dzhokhar is innocent—a case not made by Dzhokhar’s appointed attorney at the trial.


A Case of Judicial Murder?

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I have been asked many times why I have intervened in the federal prosecution of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the young man who was convicted and sentenced to death in the Boston Marathon bombing case where two brothers, on April 15, 2013, allegedly detonated pressure cooker bombs on Boylston Street in front of the Forum Restaurant that killed or maimed many people.

As I wrap up my career of fifty years as a member of the bar, including service as a public defender in state and federal courts, co-founder of an accredited law school, and chief public prosecutor in Minnesota state courts, I am apprehensive that my country might be entering into an era of judicial murder.

Judicial murder is the practice of designing a trial to get a guilty verdict, regardless of the facts, and a death sentence carried out. It has happened in many countries in all ages. It has been recognized as a threat of public justice by the United States Supreme Court in Powell v. Alabama, 287 U. S. 45 at 72-72 (1932). Judicial murder is followed by corruption and destruction of society.The judicial murder of Socrates was followed by loss of the classical civilization of ancient Greece. The judicial murder of Jesus of Nazareth, whether son of God or venerable philosopher, was followed by the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple. The judicial murder of Joan of Arc was followed by loss of most English lands in France. The judicial murder of Charles the First was followed by loss of the free constitution of England. The judicial murder of Louis XVI was followed by 150 years of defeat, ruin, suffering, and chaos in France. Judicial murder in the Third Reich was followed by humiliating defeat of Germany. Judicial murder in the Soviet Union was followed by collapse of the Soviet empire. If the justice system cannot be trusted, evil consequences follow.

My active intervention in the case began when I assisted the Russian aunt, herself a lawyer, of Dzhokhar file pro se papers in the federal district court in Boston, asking that she be recognized as a friend of the court so she could present evidence conclusively showing, by FBI-gathered evidence, incorporated by reference into the indictment, that Dzhokhar could not have detonated the bomb he was supposed to have detonated. I proceeded in this way as instructed by the bar liaison officer of the federal district court and the clerk’s office. Dr. Paul Craig Roberts wrote up this legal adventure in his column of August 17, 2015, in a way which draws from the judicial record, and portrays the scenario clearly enough. The link is https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/0 ... r-tsarnaev. Those unfamiliar with this case need to read that article.

The claim of the Russian aunt sounds fantastic only so long as one believes newspapers and does not pay attention to critical, undeniable facts gathered by the FBI, and the language of the indictment as returned on June 27, 2013, especially paragraphs 6, 7, and 24. A number of things have caused me to doubt Dzhokhar’s guilt.

The FBI crime lab determined from fragments at the scene of the explosions by no later than April 16, 2013, that the culprits were carrying heavy-laden black backpacks on Boyleston Street just before the explosions. This was not an evaporating investigation theory, but was incorporated into the indictment, was part of the government’s case-in-chief, and was never disavowed by anyone involved in the trial. On April 18, 2013, the FBI determined that the culprits were portrayed in a street video maintained by the Whiskey Steak House on Boyleston Street. Two still frames were used to identify the brothers Tamerlan, who was shot dead by police, and Dzhokhar, who survived, and was charged, convicted, and sentenced to death. A third still-frame from the same street video shows Dzhokhar, carrying not a heavy-laden black backpack, but a light-weight white backpack over his right shoulder. The very evidence used by the FBI, and described in the indictment to identify Dzhokhar eliminates him as certainly as white is distinguished from black. The FBI evidence of an exploded backpack is black and the FBI’s identification of Dzhokhar at the scene of the crime shows him with a white backpack. This exculpatory evidence was kept out of the trial.

What of the confessions attributed to Dzhokhar? The law has always known that, contrary to popular belief, confessions are highly unreliable, often contrived or staged by artifice, or otherwise false, which is why the law has long used safeguards to assure that alleged confessions are received only cautiously under proper circumstances. The alleged confession by Dzhokhar written in the dark on the side of a boat under which the boy injured from gunshot woulds was hiding is highly suspect. Moreover, if Dzhokhar was willing to confess, why was he hiding? The confession at sentencing was plainly enough scripted for him, and is not corroborated by what the law calls the “corpus delicti.”

But more troubling evidence exists. Dr. Lorraine Day was the chief of orthopedic surgery at San Francisco General Hospital for some twenty-five years. She treated many grave injuries, and is an impeccable medical expert. She prepared a decisive report, dated May 4, 2015, on the Boston bombing case, which she concluded was a hoax. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... rthopedic/ She observed, for example, that photos of the scene after the explosions revealed no blood when it should have been visible everywhere, and that, when blood did appear, it was of a bright orange red Hollywood color, not maroon as real blood appears in real life. The Boston marathon case appears to be at least contaminated by crisis actors if not entirely a false flag event. The video of the man showing no trauma whose leg is purported to be blown away being wheeled down the street sitting upright in a wheelchair is a dead giveaway as to the presence of crisis actors. Any such casualty mishandled in such a way would have quickly bled to death.

The trial of Dzhokhar raises more serious questions. Mr. Tsarnaev was defended by court-appointed lawyers who did not do their job. His chief counsel had powerful exculpatory evidence available, yet she forcefully asserted that he was guilty in her opening statement, never used the exculpatory evidence at trial, and did not even ask for a verdict of not guilty in her final argument to the jury. Dzhokhar had no defense. As a lawyer with a half century of experience, it was painful for me to watch what looked like a show trial in which the verdict and sentence were assured in advance.

On verge of retirement, I have no interest in acquiring notoriety to build a practice. I have nothing to gain from coming to the defense of a person abandoned by law, the media, and everyone but his aunt. But my country has everything to lose from judicial murder in behalf of some government agenda. We must examine if that is the case and, if so, prevent it.

As a last hurrah as a lawyer, I recently filed a motion in behalf of three American citizens before the First Circuit in the appeal of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, asking that they be recognized as friends of the court, so they can show that, on the basis of facts actually of record before the federal district court in Boston, Dzhokhar did not detonate a pressure-cooker bomb on Boylston Street on April 15, 2013, as charged in the indictment. The government and major media of the United States have created such confusion and libelled the accused so foully that it is impossible for the average citizen relying on newspapers to imagine that Dzhokhar is innocent. Major media waged a lock-step propaganda campaign against Mr. Tsarnaev.

However, perhaps a turning point occurred on Monday of this week. Newsweek on October 23, 2017, reported, two years and two months after Dr. Roberts’ report on my filing in behalf of Dzhokhar’s aunt, Maret Tsarnaeva, that evidence might exist of Dzhokhar’s innocence. http://www.newsweek.com/boston-marathon ... oof-691058 If other of the American media would join Newsweek in informing the public that there is doubt about the conviction, perhaps not only a possible case of wrongful conviction can be corrected, but also a case of possible judicial murder could be prevented.

– John Remington Graham of the Minnesota Bar (#3664X), jrgraham@novicomfusion.com, 418-888-5049.
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