The Jimbo thread - conspiracies gratefully accepted

[Jimbo]

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[bobzilla77]

So this guy's argument is that bombs never went off at the marathon because the pictures aren't gruesome enough for him.

Who else here thinks that Jimbo is an actual Russian troll, paid to infiltrate innocuous media chatrooms and spread propaganda? You're probably the same person posting this garbage on the Prince boards.

[Jimbo]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/las-vegas-shooting-conspiracy-theories-social-media

When Jimbos go bad.

Imagine getting shot in the head, escaping with your life only to be hounded off the internet by whackjobs who think you're an actor.

FFS

In another Guardian article about CTs harassing supposed victims online there was this:

Mike Cronk was sitting half-naked on a street corner, hands covered in blood, when the TV news reporter approached. The 48-year-old, who had used his shirt to try to plug a bullet wound in his friend’s chest, recounted in a live interview how a young man he did not know had just died in his arms. … Two months later, Cronk’s online reputation appears damaged beyond repair. Type “Mike Cronk” into Google and YouTube, and the sites automatically suggest searches for “actor” and “fake”, leading to popular videos claiming he and his wounded friend were performers and that the Mandalay Bay tragedy that killed 58 people never happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... y-theories

Ironically, or typically for the times was this Guardian Susan Sarandan profile with this bit of info:

During the last election, Sarandon supported Bernie Sanders, then wouldn’t support Clinton after she won the nomination, and now all the moderates hate her, to the extent, she says, that she had to change her phone number because people she identifies as Hillary trolls sent her threatening messages. “I got from Hillary people ‘I hope your crotch is grabbed’, ‘I hope you’re raped’.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/n ... -be-at-war

It says more about the online world than cruel conspiracy theorists. You want to stay safe stay off line. It's a potential trap for anyone.

[bobzilla77]

"supposed victims"

You seriously have a default position of not believing people that have been part of a mass shooting?

[sneelock]

I think Jimbo is part of the quickest growing community around - people who are inclined to NOT believe anything they hear.
it's like the opposite of gullibility.

[bobzilla77]

Yeah I think Trump is doing something strategic by denying observable reality over and over again. He is turning people against their own bullshit detectors.

But I'm not kidding about Jimbo. I believe we have been infiltrated. I'm willing to admit I may be wrong but that is my thought at this time.

[sneelock]

Our very own Russian Troll Farm?
It could happen!

[zoomboogity]

I think Jimbo is part of the quickest growing community around - people who are inclined to NOT believe anything they hear.
it's like the opposite of gullibility.

Which becomes a form of gullibility itself. We all need our hobbies.

[Jimbo]

"supposed victims"

Yes, supposed victims.

https://archive.org/details/VegasMassac ... eOfDeaths1

[zoomboogity]

Do you believe that the disaster at Fukushima never happened, and the waters around you aren't still being polluted by it to this day? Do you feel safe where you are?

[toomanyhatz]

"supposed victims"

Yes, supposed victims.

https://archive.org/details/VegasMassac ... eOfDeaths1

There are people on the internet questioning it! People! On the internet! What qualifies someone more to question evidence than being someone on the internet? I ask you!

[Jimbo]

Do you believe that the disaster at Fukushima never happened, and the waters around you aren't still being polluted by it to this day? Do you feel safe where you are?

Well, something happened. Was there some kind of conspiracy? Maybe. I read something that said Fukushima has been ground zero for nuclear research since WWII and that they were making an A bomb there but were too slow and never got it done in time. But, the article said, they were still making bombs in Fukushima - despite any treaties - up until that day, or maybe still making them. Could be true. Fukushima is a huge nuclear center. That's the extent of my knowledge re a woo-woo Fukushima conspiracy. As for holes, anomalies in the official Fukushima story there don't seem to be many. If I recall TEPCO officials lied at first about some shit but got found out and publicly apologized, the Japanese version of accountability. I knew actual victims, students from families whose homes were wiped out by the tsunami, so that is not an issue for me but there are a load of victims whose bodies were washed out to sea and never found.

Re my safety, oddly I'm not afraid and neither is anybody else here that I know of. There is no panic that's for sure. There was a ban on produce and fish from the area for maybe a year after the disaster but now it's all good - we assume. The waters are probably not 100% pre-accident pristine but we're told what is leeching in isn't enough to hurt us. There is a saying in Japan that says if everybody is crossing at a red light it is safe to cross with them, IOW, there's safety in numbers. It seems like ages since we've heard any shocking news from the area, i.e., children with thyroid problems. I have to assume they have shit under control. If I have any delusions they're anti-conspiritorial in that I am convinced that shit is more or less safe and that the pollution is no big deal. I know you Californians are more concerned than most Japanese. In this case you guys are the conspiracy nuts and overreacting to a situation that is objectively safe - I hope.

[sneelock]

Objectively?

By scientific means? By general consensus?

[Jimbo]

Objectively?

By scientific means? By general consensus?

Mostly general consensus. No one is dying or sick. The food is being eaten. I feel fine and i worked not 40 miles from the place. I was concerned back in the day but it rarely crosses my mind nowadays.

[sneelock]

great. well, maybe they'll forget all about it even before they clean that mess up!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/19/scie ... -fuel.html
maybe Fuke employees will still be required to wear radiation detectors long after the zeitgeist has moved on.

[zoomboogity]

It seems like ages since we've heard any shocking news from the area, i.e., children with thyroid problems. I have to assume they have shit under control. If I have any delusions they're anti-conspiritorial in that I am convinced that shit is more or less safe and that the pollution is no big deal.

No news is good news, right? Keep the faith, you skeptic you.

I know you Californians are more concerned than most Japanese. In this case you guys are the conspiracy nuts and overreacting to a situation that is objectively safe - I hope.

There is no logic to that sentence. We're more concerned than Japan is, and therefore we're just making it up? How long did it take you to settle on that one?

if LA gets nuked, we have many fault lines which could be disrupted - the Newport-Inglewood Fault and The Palos Verdes Fault, look them up. If these cause the land to liquefy and sink, here's a partial list of what we stand to lose: four airports, two major seaports (responsible for 43% of overseas cargo), loads of major corporation headquarters, film and TV studios, tourist attractions such as Disneyland, the list goes on. Then give it about half a day before the rest of the country feels the effects of no trucks with goods to deliver. Who'd want our contaminated food at that point, anyway? And some of the best hospitals in the world, so good luck to all the survivors after their bodies get microwaved from within and no hospital to take them in and tend to them. And most of the people with the money living on that coast, from Santa Monica to Newport Beach, along with one of the most temperate climates in the world. Oh yes, and Raging Waters in San Dimas - Bill & Ted said to say hi, by the way!

As for the most likely target for causing long-term damage, my bet is on the harbor. I live about a mile away, plus a few oil refineries. So the fuck should I care? I'll just instantly melt and be dead while my city sinks in the ocean, it's not my problem after that. It's those poor schmucks 50 miles away whom I feel sorry for.

You know what, Jimbo? You just showed me, once and for all, that you don't believe any of this stuff you say, and you never did. If Hepcat or Foxhound or BWilson were here defending right-leaning or libertarian opinions, you'd have no problem aligning with the others. But those guys aren't wasting their time now, and there's no contrary point to gang up on. So suddenly you're all "Trump's not so bad," while other people's concerns about nuclear holocaust and other such trifles are just blithely dismissed. You're not a conspiracy theorist, you're not even an idealogue or a zealot. You're a troll, a contrarian, a jokester. Which is cool, we all joke here. Difference is, we understand our own jokes. I know now not to get upset when you speak stupidly and callously after some tragedy, and anyone else here who does get upset from here on is a fool. It's to the point where I'll hear some tragedy on the news, then automatically think, "I wonder whom Jimbo's going to piss off and disgust this time." It's like clockwork. Good job, though, you had us going for a few years there!

But... really, dude? Donald Trump? Not that Clinton was much of a bargain either, but come on. Do you vote in our elections? Will Japan be prepared if Trump decides to pull our military out and leave you guys to defend yourselves again? After all, it worked so well last time. At least we got some Bugs Bunny cartoons out of that one.

I think this thread is over. But no reason not to keep it going. Forever.

[Jimbo]

58 KILLED IN LAS VEGAS.
HOW? WHY? NOBODY CARES
http://bit.ly/2BHX437

By MATT WALSH @MattWalshBlog December 1, 2017

I am going to break the rules of the Internet Hot Take Industry and write about an old story that nobody cares about anymore. We have gone on to other topics, and then other topics, and then other topics, and other topics, etc.

The news cycle moves at the speed of sound. Events from last week are a distant memory and news from October may as well have occurred during the Cretaceous Period.

Still, I can't help but recall, ever so faintly, that little thing known at the time as the worst mass shooting in American history. If memory serves, a wealthy 64-year-old gambler named Stephen Paddock murdered 58 people and injured hundreds from the window of his luxury hotel room. In the days after the slaughter, nobody could figure out why he did it, or how he managed to pull it off. So, we all kind of shrugged our shoulders and moved on. The questions were never answered.

It is now two months later and we know as much today as we knew six hours after the shooting. But nobody is talking about it anymore. It's as if it never happened.

There was a time when a mass shooting of this magnitude would dominate the news for weeks and weeks. Columbine — which paled in comparison to this — was the only thing anyone talked about for at least a month. Even more recent shootings — Charleston, Aurora, Orlando — were in the headlines for much longer than Las Vegas. Yet there were more people shot in Vegas than in Columbine, Charleston, Aurora, and Orlando combined. Twice as many, easily.

Well, I think.

I actually don't know how many people were shot. They tell us 527 people were injured, along with the 58 killed, but were all of those injuries from gunshots? Did the guy actually physically shoot 585 human beings? Or were some of the injuries from people getting knocked over and trampled in the melee? I would imagine the latter must be the case, but I don't know. It's been two months and we still don't even know how many people Paddock shot. Maybe that number is available somewhere but I couldn't find it. How is that possible? How could it be two months after the worst mass shooting in American history and we still don't have a precise and well-publicized casualty count?

And that's just one unanswered question.

There are many more, because, basically, none of the questions about Las Vegas have ever been answered. And they don't need to be answered because nobody is asking them. So the questions remain. Questions like:

Why did he do it? We were told it wasn't terrorism, even though ISIS claimed credit. Okay, then what was it? Was he crazy? But then how did a crazy person manage to orchestrate something like this? And why hasn't a single person from Paddock's personal life come forward and called him crazy? All we heard was that Paddock was a normal, rational guy. Dylann Roof was obviously disturbed. Adam Lanza had clear mental issues. James Holmes is a nutcase. The Orlando killer was a terrorist. Every single one of these guys fits into one of two categories: terrorist or lunatic. We're told Stephen Paddock was neither of those things. What was he? Why did he do it? And why isn't the media asking why he did it?

In fairness, some media outlets have sued the FBI to gain access to information about the shooting, but they could put more pressure on the Powers That Be if they actually reported on the story and asked this question publicly. Or this question:

How did he do it? We know he used a gun. Or guns. He had dozens of guns in the hotel room with him. How did he get them all in there? How did he set up a kill room in a major American hotel without anyone noticing? How did he manage to shoot hundreds of people from 500 yards away at night? Was he trained? Where did he train? Who trained him?

More questions:

Why did the timeline of the shooting change three times? What's the current version of the timeline? First they told us a "hero" security guard named Jesus Campos stopped the shooting while it was happening. Then they told us Campos himself was actually shot six minutes before Paddock opened fire on the crowd. Then the hotel told us Campos was shot 40 seconds before Paddock began his massacre. Which is it? None of these? And how could there ever have been any confusion about the timeline? There are video cameras everywhere. There were gun shots being fired in a crowded hotel. Shouldn't it have been immediately obvious exactly when all of this started?

And what exactly were the police doing? If Campos was shot six minutes before the massacre, and the massacre lasted 10 minutes, why didn't anyone intervene sometime during that 16-minute time span? Police didn't finally enter the hotel room until an hour after the shooting stopped. What took them so long? Where were they? In one of the last press conferences about the shooting, the Las Vegas sheriff confirmed that the police were in the hotel when the shooting started. It took them over an hour to get upstairs? Or were they just waiting by the door as Paddock executed 58 people?

And why did it take them a month to disclose that an officer did discharge his weapon inside Paddock's room? They insisted for weeks that no officer fired a shot. Did they really not know? Or were they withholding the information? Why? And why was a shot fired if Paddock was allegedly already dead when they entered?

And why did Paddock wire $100,000 to the Philippines before the shooting?

And what happened to his missing hard drive? Did they ever find it? And why did he get rid of it? What's on it?

We're told Paddock had an escape plan. How could he have ever imagined that he might be able to escape? Did he have some help? Or was he supposed to have help but it fell through?

Why did he stop shooting after ten minutes if he had so many guns and so much ammunition?

Why did he stop shooting yet make no attempt to escape?

And what's the deal with Jesus Campos? Why did he leave the country immediately after the attack? Why did he refuse to do interviews with any news outlets until suddenly appearing on Ellen, of all places?

And do we know for sure that Paddock was the only shooter? Multiple witnesses swore that there were shots coming from more than one location. Were they mistaken?

And here's a big one: Why haven't we seen any video footage of Stephen Paddock whatsoever? Paddock carried out his attack in one of the most monitored cities in the world. You can scarcely find a nook or cranny of Las Vegas that isn't under video surveillance. Yet not even one second of Paddock video has leaked? No video of him carrying the gun-laden bags into the hotel? No video of him checking in? No video of whatever went down between Paddock and Campos? Not even any video of Paddock at one of the many casinos he frequented? We're told Paddock spent a lot of time in Vegas. There must be literally hundreds of hours of footage of him spread out between dozens of hotels and casinos. None of it has leaked? All of it was confiscated immediately?

That doesn't make any sense.

None of this makes any sense.

And maybe it never will make sense, because nobody is paying attention anymore.

[Jimbo]

And while we've quickly forgotten the Las Vegas shooting here is a reminder of the Manchester bombing along with dozens of inconsistencies in the official story. I'd particularly like for Rayge to watch this for he usually has the most cogent comebacks to my conspiracy theories.

[zoomboogity]

And while we've quickly forgotten the Las Vegas shooting

No, "we" haven't.

[Copehead]

This article shows quite neatly how the US far right have become a tool, wittingly and unwittingly, of Russian propaganda:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

Who would have thought that when Russia finally did undermine US democracy it would be through infiltration on co-option of the political right rather than the left, quite amazing?