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Re: The Jimbo thread - conspiracies gratefully accepted

Postby fire and fueryIre » 09 May 2017, 09:03

Jimbo wrote:
Surely the black boxes tell the truth.




In the case of the endless succession of black boxes you've been posting these last few days, sadly not.
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fueryIre wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Surely the black boxes tell the truth.



In the case of the endless succession of black boxes you've been posting these last few days, sadly not.


Snark aside, are you saying the videos are not watchable, that they're blocked or something?

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Postby fire and fueryIre » 09 May 2017, 11:58

Jimbo wrote:
fueryIre wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Surely the black boxes tell the truth.



In the case of the endless succession of black boxes you've been posting these last few days, sadly not.


Snark aside, are you saying the videos are not watchable, that they're blocked or something?



Sadly not.
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Re: The Jimbo thread - conspiracies gratefully accepted

Postby fire and fueryIre » 09 May 2017, 11:58

Jimbo wrote:
fueryIre wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Surely the black boxes tell the truth.



In the case of the endless succession of black boxes you've been posting these last few days, sadly not.


Snark aside, are you saying the videos are not watchable, that they're blocked or something?



Sadly not.
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Postby Jimbo » 10 May 2017, 12:44

The WTC Towers were rather fragile buildings, right?

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Postby zoomboogity » 21 May 2017, 04:39

Some light reading for the weekend:

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zoomboogity wrote:Some light reading for the weekend:

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Dave McGowan. A personal hero. You go down that rabbit hole you may never come back. He's that good. He recently died, poor man. Google his "Wagging the Moondoggie," the most thorough - and hilarious - "we never went to the moon" article ever.
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Postby zoomboogity » 21 May 2017, 13:57

Yes, DavesWeb, I know it well. That's where I first read this Laurel Canyon article, before Dave took it down and decided to expand it to book length.

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Postby zoomboogity » 22 May 2017, 21:59

Just started reading Dave's book last night. I can tell it's going to be an interesting ride, but I've already seen two statements are not only factually incorrect, but the type of errors that you sort of have to go out of your way to make, as the facts are common knowledge and easily verified. So I'll just take it for what it is and not worry about it - I want some entertainment, not a homework assignment. (I could also question the common-yet-incorrect use of the word "penultimate" when "quintessential" would have been proper, but these days, that's like nit-picking that people use the word "agendas" in plural form when "agenda" is already plural. After a while, no one else cares, including whoever proofread this, so why should we? Shut up and read it, don't be a party pooper!)

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zoomboogity wrote:Just started reading Dave's book last night. I can tell it's going to be an interesting ride, but I've already seen two statements are not only factually incorrect, but the type of errors that you sort of have to go out of your way to make, as the facts are common knowledge and easily verified. So I'll just take it for what it is and not worry about it - I want some entertainment, not a homework assignment. (I could also question the common-yet-incorrect use of the word "penultimate" when "quintessential" would have been proper, but these days, that's like nit-picking that people use the word "agendas" in plural form when "agenda" is already plural. After a while, no one else cares, including whoever proofread this, so why should we? Shut up and read it, don't be a party pooper!)


Don't expect me to argue Dave's premise with you. I was never comfortable about the Laurel Canyon story. I read the non-book version online and found it interesting and gossipy with a lot of true-enough factoids - and Dave's wit, but it's too slight a conspiracy for me to take seriously. Besides, we've discussed Dave's Laurel Canyon story here before. For classic rock lovers it's relevance to BCB is perfect. I even presented that book as Secret Santa one year. No, his Laurel Canyon story didn't hit my Jimbo. He examines the Lincoln assassination too, but again, I couldn't sense it's relevance. It's his dissection of the Boston bombing, 9/11 and the moon landing that ring my Jimbo.

You may have noticed Dave's website is hard to access online. I believe his brother took it over since Dave's death to pay the bills. Sadly Dave's best conspiracy analyses are lost until his brother finds a way to monetize them.
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Postby zoomboogity » 23 May 2017, 02:52

Jimbo wrote:Besides, we've discussed Dave's Laurel Canyon story here before. For classic rock lovers it's relevance to BCB is perfect.


Yup. When I first dragged myself out of my podunk suburb and started playing with musicians in LA (early '80s), it was in a garage on Lookout Mountain. I remember taking breaks during band practices and walking up to top of the hill. This is right after the "Log Cabin" at the bottom of the hill burned down.

A lot of the things he says I don't doubt, especially the minutiae of the musicians' lineage - David Crosby is from a prominent Dutch family, I'm sure you know of the park in NY bearing his middle name (Van Cortlandt). Zappa once said in an interview that his wife attended kindergarten with Jim Morrison, whose dad was involved in the Gulf Of Tonkin incident. It makes sense that a lot of "counterculture" stars were from wealthy families - their parents could grease some palms and keep them out of the draft, plus they had more free time to be in a band without needing a day job. I can get with the "created counterculture" conspiracy whereby if you keep the populace stoned enough, they're less likely to protest effectively. It ties in with the book Acid Dreams, with the CIA turning LSD loose in San Francisco to see what it would do to a large segment of society and how they might utilize it. And there is the whole question of, if this is so anti-establishment, why were major labels putting it out (well, other than making money)?

But the two factual errors I caught so far, I wasn't even looking for. One, in the pre-rock'n'roll days, movie stars lived there, and several of them met mysterious deaths. Among those who managed to "live long and healthy lives" was Clara Bow - she was diagnosed with schizophrenia, perhaps incorrectly, but she clearly had a troubled life. The second was the claim that Bobby Beausoleil got a credit on the first Mothers album as a backing vocalist, which simply isn't true. (He's on the long thanks list, but so are lots of people.) So that was a little sloppy. Not enough to make me stop reading, but I'm just surprised no one caught it. And I could do without the "because, you see, dear readers" summing up - it's like, dude, we're not stupid, we're following this just fine. It's too cutesy and unnecessary. Other than that, I'm going for the ride. It's like a Kurt Vonnegut novel, only in real life!

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zoomboogity wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Besides, we've discussed Dave's Laurel Canyon story here before. For classic rock lovers it's relevance to BCB is perfect.


Yup. When I first dragged myself out of my podunk suburb and started playing with musicians in LA (early '80s), it was in a garage on Lookout Mountain. I remember taking breaks during band practices and walking up to top of the hill. This is right after the "Log Cabin" at the bottom of the hill burned down.

A lot of the things he says I don't doubt, especially the minutiae of the musicians' lineage - David Crosby is from a prominent Dutch family, I'm sure you know of the park in NY bearing his middle name (Van Cortlandt). Zappa once said in an interview that his wife attended kindergarten with Jim Morrison, whose dad was involved in the Gulf Of Tonkin incident. It makes sense that a lot of "counterculture" stars were from wealthy families - their parents could grease some palms and keep them out of the draft, plus they had more free time to be in a band without needing a day job. I can get with the "created counterculture" conspiracy whereby if you keep the populace stoned enough, they're less likely to protest effectively. It ties in with the book Acid Dreams, with the CIA turning LSD loose in San Francisco to see what it would do to a large segment of society and how they might utilize it. And there is the whole question of, if this is so anti-establishment, why were major labels putting it out (well, other than making money)?

But the two factual errors I caught so far, I wasn't even looking for. One, in the pre-rock'n'roll days, movie stars lived there, and several of them met mysterious deaths. Among those who managed to "live long and healthy lives" was Clara Bow - she was diagnosed with schizophrenia, perhaps incorrectly, but she clearly had a troubled life. The second was the claim that Bobby Beausoleil got a credit on the first Mothers album as a backing vocalist, which simply isn't true. (He's on the long thanks list, but so are lots of people.) So that was a little sloppy. Not enough to make me stop reading, but I'm just surprised no one caught it. And I could do without the "because, you see, dear readers" summing up - it's like, dude, we're not stupid, we're following this just fine. It's too cutesy and unnecessary. Other than that, I'm going for the ride. It's like a Kurt Vonnegut novel, only in real life!


See, I don't buy the conspiracy re how rich kids become rich rock stars due to government connections because the music was so damn wonderful. Maybe the best rock music ever! I don't think Dave is a BCB level music fan. He doesn't love the Doors and CS&N like I do. If he had wondered how Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee became stars, then yeah, but Jim Morrison and David Crosby? With more ordinary pop stars you'd see the cookie cutter outlines. The music Dave is diminishing was extraordinarily original, due likely to the free thinking LSD engenders.

As to how LSD got spread through the culture, then yeah, maybe it was CIA or something. How back in 1968-9 perfectly manufactured tiny bright orange LSD pills made their way into my tiny upstate New York village at $3 a pop is a mystery.
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No, what I mean is not that they became rock stars because of their connections, they just had the luxury to not get drafted. I remember working in offices where the big execs would bring their kids as junior execs. Nice expensive suits their dads got for them, but a lot of these guys were schmucks with no understanding of what they were supposed to do. They were gone two weeks later. Crosby's family was seriously powerful - his lineage includes governors, judges, and Alexander Hamilton. He used to smuggle large quantities of pot from Mexico for the fun of it (and he knew he'd get away with it once a few phone calls were made). The other Byrds weren't in that situation, they just got the benefits. And yeah, it may have gotten him a leg up, but he had the talent to do something with it. It sure wasn't his people skills! McGowan makes a point of repeatedly stating his low opinion of Crosby's talent, so there you go.

It wasn't just musicians, it was actors - Marlon Brando's family first came to America in the 1600s and founded New Rochelle, while Peter Fonda's ancestors came here on a boat owned by Crosby's ancestors. As for Morrison, he used to tell interviewers that his parents were dead, probably to avoid the sort of inconvenient truths you can't escape in the internet age. Zappa got framed on a bogus pornography charge in 1962, and as a convicted felon, he was ineligible for the draft. So there were no absolutes, just a lot of stuff going on at once. A lot of the managers and club owners had ties to mobsters, what's hard to believe about that?

Acid Dreams details San Francisco pre-1969 - first the government thought LSD could be a mind control drug, and when that didn't work so well, they tried it as an anti-control drug, which didn't work either. This was pre-1960s. Hence, the "lab experiment" of Haight-Ashbury. That it finally worked its way over to you by '69 was just part of their study. We were guinea pigs for the Man!
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zoomboogity wrote:We were guinea pigs for the Man!


Hey, every once in a while, even The Man does us a solid!


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Postby zoomboogity » 27 May 2017, 15:16

Okay, I'm done with that book. Didn't finish it, but I'm done. I wrote a more detailed critique of it this morning than I now realize it deserved, so screw it. The big takeaway: finish your book before you shop it around. Writing on your own time is different than writing against a contractual deadline, and it shows.

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Postby Quaco » 03 Jun 2017, 02:07

Interesting -- not much to add, but nice to see all this Laurel Canyon stuff mentioned on here. I tend to think there's some truth in the things, but y'know, probably not a huge conspiracy. Didn't know the guy's website was down; I just told somebody about it last week.
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