2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby mentalist (slight return) » 08 Nov 2018, 22:09

The thing that would get me would be drinking a litre of PBR in under a minute. Bleurgh!
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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mentalist (slight return) wrote:The thing that would get me would be drinking a litre of PBR in under a minute. Bleurgh!


Litre?

DENIED!

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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Jimbo wrote:If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. Emma Goldman


I've read Emma Goldman's autobiography. You're no Emma Goldman.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Oh, it didn't take all of 20 years. I think she wanted to hold on to her Japanese citizenship for a while before giving it up.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Here's an interesting and lively dissection of the election notable especially how bland the Democratic-side spokesperson is and how handily he is taken down. He makes the point I've heard elsewhere how the now-majority Dems will concentrate on investigating Trump but is clueless especially about how they will handle war and other substantive issues. How important do you think investigating Trump is - as opposed to working for the usual things on the progressive wish list?
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Nov 2018, 03:57

What do you imaging the house can achieve on “war and other substantive issues” while both the Senate and The President are held by the opposing party?
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:What do you imaging the house can achieve on “war and other substantive issues” while both the Senate and The President are held by the opposing party?


Make a stink? Show voters the Democrats stand for something "substantive" so they'll do better in the next election. If the pundits are right and the congressional Democrats do spend all their time investigating Trump - which won't, they say, end up with impeachment - how much more impressed will voters be?

Had they run on these issues instead of "unity," "bipartisanship," a variety of "problems," they'd have done much better, don't you think?
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Sneelock » 09 Nov 2018, 07:11

I think the Democratic Party should sit in a corner in a dunce hat with a finger up its nose for all eternity. Serves ‘em right!
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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$P.Muff$ wrote:
mentalist (slight return) wrote:The thing that would get me would be drinking a litre of PBR in under a minute. Bleurgh!


Litre?

DENIED!


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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Nov 2018, 09:02

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:What do you imaging the house can achieve on “war and other substantive issues” while both the Senate and The President are held by the opposing party?


Make a stink? Show voters the Democrats stand for something "substantive" so they'll do better in the next election. If the pundits are right and the congressional Democrats do spend all their time investigating Trump - which won't, they say, end up with impeachment - how much more impressed will voters be?

Had they run on these issues instead of "unity," "bipartisanship," a variety of "problems," they'd have done much better, don't you think?


Run on WHICH issues?

Democrats extended healthcare to millions. We fight for a higher minimum wage every time out. We protect workers rights. I could go on and on? What do the Republicans ever do besides give your boss a tax cut and force your wives and daughters closer to the back alley?

I think the Democrats are 100% right to be talking about investigating Trump right now. We’ve had a political party placing him above the law like a king, even as we know that he’s profiting personally off of his position. Oversight is the most important function we can perform right this moment. We can’t pass any legislation, so any promises we make will be empty anyhow. Better to let the next Presidential nominee paint that picture.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:What do you imaging the house can achieve on “war and other substantive issues” while both the Senate and The President are held by the opposing party?


Make a stink? Show voters the Democrats stand for something "substantive" so they'll do better in the next election. If the pundits are right and the congressional Democrats do spend all their time investigating Trump - which won't, they say, end up with impeachment - how much more impressed will voters be?

Had they run on these issues instead of "unity," "bipartisanship," a variety of "problems," they'd have done much better, don't you think?


Run on WHICH issues?

Democrats extended healthcare to millions. We fight for a higher minimum wage every time out. We protect workers rights. I could go on and on? What do the Republicans ever do besides give your boss a tax cut and force your wives and daughters closer to the back alley?

I think the Democrats are 100% right to be talking about investigating Trump right now. We’ve had a political party placing him above the law like a king, even as we know that he’s profiting personally off of his position. Oversight is the most important function we can perform right this moment. We can’t pass any legislation, so any promises we make will be empty anyhow. Better to let the next Presidential nominee paint that picture.


Even kings aren't above the law - post Magna Carta... in the UK at least.
I thought the whole point of the House is to hold the President (among others) to account... Oversight?
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Snarfyguy » 09 Nov 2018, 14:04

^^^ It's primarily a legislative body, although it does also provide oversight of the executive branch as well.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Nov 2018, 15:50

Our legislative bodies aren’t going to legislate anymore, unless all of them AND the President are under single-party control.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby sloopjohnc » 09 Nov 2018, 16:51

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Our legislative bodies aren’t going to legislate anymore, unless all of them AND the President are under single-party control.


I heard yesterday that a bunch of Republican senators went to McConnell and said they're "out," when it comes to Trump.

I hope so.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Sneelock » 09 Nov 2018, 16:55

He does seem to burn bridges the way other people eat three meals a day.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby LeBaron » 09 Nov 2018, 17:37

sloopjohnc wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Our legislative bodies aren’t going to legislate anymore, unless all of them AND the President are under single-party control.


I heard yesterday that a bunch of Republican senators went to McConnell and said they're "out," when it comes to Trump.

I hope so.


Me too. There’s been a fair amount of reporting that the Senate Rs are now more beholden to him than ever before. We’ll see. You have to believe most of them hate his guts.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Minnie Cheddars wrote:This is my final prompt to getting citizenship. I can’t live here and not vote.


What do you have left to do till you become official?


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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Corporate whore wrote:
$P.Muff$ wrote:
Minnie Cheddars wrote:This is my final prompt to getting citizenship. I can’t live here and not vote.


What do you have left to do till you become official?


Memorise the words to Sweet Home Alabama.
Eat a ‘mess o grits’ (whatever that means)
Shoot the Sherif (but not the deputy)
Turn up late for a war.



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Re: 2018 Midterm Election Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Nov 2018, 18:22

LeBaron wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Our legislative bodies aren’t going to legislate anymore, unless all of them AND the President are under single-party control.


I heard yesterday that a bunch of Republican senators went to McConnell and said they're "out," when it comes to Trump.

I hope so.


Me too. There’s been a fair amount of reporting that the Senate Rs are now more beholden to him than ever before. We’ll see. You have to believe most of them hate his guts.


It won’t matter in terms of legislation, because they won’t send anything to the house that would matter. We might get some tiny piece of bipartisan flotsam done, but nothing that a progressive would cheer.

Basically Trump and the Senate can confirm judges and start wars. Whee!
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