President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 11 Jul 2018, 18:07

sneelock wrote:He'll arrive late and leave early.

And insult the Queen.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 11 Jul 2018, 18:24

I don't know if anybody else cares about the Nevada ranchers that got pardoned. I found it kind of fascinating that the US President would give a thumbs up to this kind of behavior - it seems like no matter who's in charge, the President should stand up for the idea that the Fed does in fact have power. Like, do you really want to give a thumbs up to insurrectionists? What good does it do? They''re just gonna get mad about something else and gonna rise up against you one day.

This piece has a lot of food for thought. Trump is gambling that by getting the people who live on the land out there to battle each other, he can give away all the protected land to industry and they'll support him while he does it.

https://thinkprogress.org/the-real-stor ... e1a8f735f/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 11 Jul 2018, 18:31

He sees them as emblematic of his base (rural white Christians). Their social, political and cultural supremacy is one of his only political convictions.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 11 Jul 2018, 18:36

Yep, and he's stil making campaign promises to them. One day they may wake up and discover not feds coming to collect taxes, but oil men coming up to kick them off the land, and their militias will have to decide if they fight against people like that or just do what they say.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 11 Jul 2018, 18:40

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:He sees them as emblematic of his base (rural white Christians). Their social, political and cultural supremacy is one of his only political convictions.


Yep. But like Bobzilla writes, it is a potentially dangerous precedent.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 11 Jul 2018, 18:55

Maybe. But precedent hardly seems to mean anything anymore. In modern America, the same act is good when it benefits my tribe and bad when it benefits yours.

I think his “base” understands this implicitly. It’s a feature, not a bug.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Jul 2018, 19:21

He's the man in the tin-foil hat. look how many of his pardons are for right-wing ram-rods -- Dinesh D'Souza, "Sherrif Joe", THOSE clowns...
yeah, these are his people and, you can bet, Donald Trump is a guy that expects favors when he gives favors.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 11 Jul 2018, 19:38

Someday, and that day may never come, Dom Trump will call upon you to do a service for him.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Jul 2018, 22:02

:lol: the Domald.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Jul 2018, 12:34

Here is another, less naive view of the Chait article.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/0 ... g-roberts/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Jul 2018, 15:28

Like clockwork!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 12 Jul 2018, 15:30

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:He’ll be back.


That took, like, two pages! I think we're wearing him down. :?

Also, from the article:

presstitute media


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Jul 2018, 15:49

Also...

“conscious or de facto CIA assets”

Did anyone notice that this latest article Jimbo posted doesn’t even bother to do any debunking of the articles it supposedly debunks? The guy just describes the various articles in somewhat unflattering terms - then finishes with a big, “This is the level of absurdity that the American media delivers to the public’s understanding of foreign affairs.”

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 12 Jul 2018, 19:26

Like Trump himself, Jimbo always seems persuaded by the most recent voice to have his ear.

The other day, Chait's piece seemed reasonable to him; today that view's been superseded by Paul Craig Roberts' no-doubt silver-tongued demolition of same (even as it appears to fail to address it in any substantive way).

Oh well!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Rayge » 13 Jul 2018, 16:09

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 13 Jul 2018, 18:41

good. I'm just going to look at pictures of that crowd and try to decompress.
there's a week's worth of crap going on TODAY -- my brain is just plain shutting down. it's too much.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby LeBaron » 13 Jul 2018, 19:16

I had a similar meltdown a few weeks ago. I still look at the news and even started watching the livestream of the indictment announcement today, but I’m really fucking over all of it for awhile. I’m worn out.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 13 Jul 2018, 19:20

It’s the rope-a-dope Presidency.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 13 Jul 2018, 20:13

The indictment released by Mueller's team on Friday states that the goal of Russian intelligence officers behind the alleged hacking operation was to sway the 2016 election, and the intelligence community has agreed that Russia came to prefer a Trump victory.

Rosenstein emphasized in his press conference that this particular indictment doesn't allege Americans cooperated with the Russian effort, and also that there was no effort undertaken to assess the actual impact of the scheme.

"[Any] impact they may have had, or what their motivation may have been independently of what's required to prove this offense, is a matter of speculation," he said. "That's not our responsibility."

In its response to the indictment, the White House pointed to that lack of specific proof that the Russian intelligence operations ultimately swung the election to Trump.


LOL

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... cel-719278

PS - Holy shit there are some explosive allegations in this indictment!

The conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0 "received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate's opponent"

How does Roger Stone get himself out of this?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby LeBaron » 13 Jul 2018, 20:26

His only contact in the campaign was the President!

In the immortal words of Rick Perry: “oops.”
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