Harvey Weinstein in trouble

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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Charlie O. » 12 Oct 2017, 16:15

Fashion designer Donna Karan has come to the defence of film producer Harvey Weinstein by praising the movie mogul and saying women who dress sensually are asking for trouble. ...

Karan said women must consider if the way they dress suggests they are “asking for it”.

“I think we have to look at ourselves,” she said on the red carpet at the CinéFashion film awards in Los Angeles.

“Obviously, the treatment of women all over the world is something that has always had to be identified. Certainly in the country of Haiti where I work, in Africa, in the developing world, it’s been a hard time for women.

“I also think how do we display ourselves? How do we present ourselves as women? What are we asking? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality?”

Karan said women who dressed provocatively were asking for trouble.

“You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble.” ...

Karan’s comments were seized on by Rose McGowan, one of Weinstein’s accusers, who called the designer “scum in a fancy dress”.

Unbelievable.



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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Snarfyguy » 12 Oct 2017, 16:47

Charlie O. wrote:
Fashion designer Donna Karan has come to the defence of film producer Harvey Weinstein by praising the movie mogul and saying women who dress sensually are asking for trouble. ...

Karan said women must consider if the way they dress suggests they are “asking for it”.

“I think we have to look at ourselves,” she said on the red carpet at the CinéFashion film awards in Los Angeles.

“Obviously, the treatment of women all over the world is something that has always had to be identified. Certainly in the country of Haiti where I work, in Africa, in the developing world, it’s been a hard time for women.

“I also think how do we display ourselves? How do we present ourselves as women? What are we asking? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality?”

Karan said women who dressed provocatively were asking for trouble.

“You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble.” ...

Karan’s comments were seized on by Rose McGowan, one of Weinstein’s accusers, who called the designer “scum in a fancy dress”.

Unbelievable.



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She recanted these statements in a subsequent statement (of dubious trustworthiness). Apparently, she "made a statement that was not representative of how I feel or what I believe," for some reason. :roll:
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Minnie the Minx » 12 Oct 2017, 17:02

The social media implosion around this is extraordinary.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby !!VAPRANT!! » 12 Oct 2017, 17:08

Bourdain hit the roof because whatserface's Twitter account was blocked, no? that was the last thing I saw.

I agree, the fuss is insane.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby sloopjohnc » 12 Oct 2017, 18:35

Twitter suspended Weinstein accuser, Rose McGowan, for a day.

With all the trolls on Twitter, this seems kinda dickish.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby zoomboogity » 12 Oct 2017, 19:11

Snarfyguy wrote:She recanted these statements in a subsequent statement (of dubious trustworthiness). Apparently, she "made a statement that was not representative of how I feel or what I believe," for some reason. :roll:


"Look at the way these women dress, tut tut... oh yeah, I'm a fashion designer, never mind." Whoops, there goes another rubber tree plant.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Nick » 12 Oct 2017, 19:46

bee-eating feminist says you're late wrote:The social media implosion around this is extraordinary.


Trial by social media. Whether he is guilty or not, it's becoming a witch hunt, and not just for Weinstein himself.

Radio 4 were reporting earlier that police on both sides of the Atlantic are looking into the allegations against Weinstein. If he is prosecuted, you wonder how much scope the online furore would give a competent defence lawyer in terms of arguing that his client can't now receive a fair trial.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Sneelock » 12 Oct 2017, 21:04

I think a lot of people are shining their spotlights NOW to make up for wearing blinders THEN.

In Rose McGowan's defense - she's been trying to nail that guy for YEARS! I don't blame her for getting a little slap happy. I mean, if her claims of being ostracized for trying to nail him are correct then it makes sense she would want to be involved in the media shit storm. it must feel like she's being vindicated one way or the other.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Charlie O. » 12 Oct 2017, 22:07

zoomboogity wrote:And now his wife is leaving him. Jeez, if these two krazy kidz can't make it work out, what hope is there for the rest of us?

London-born Chapman, 41, is not just considering her two young children, but the brand, Marchesa, that she built. (The first story of the harassment was released on the same day of Marchesa’s fall 2018 bridal show.)

“People who work at Marchesa know that if she didn’t leave him Marchesa would be done, what stars would wear the dresses if there was any connection to Harvey?” a fashion insider shares with PEOPLE.

“She was totally in love with him when they met and the relationship was very authentic,” the insider continues. “But I’m sure it played in her mind heavily that she had to save the label. Fashion is a tough business and Marchesa has never been rolling in money.”

They seem like a very nice couple.



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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby zoomboogity » 12 Oct 2017, 22:18

Yeah, imagine her surprise to find out this has been going on all this time... maybe even right in front of her. That's show biz.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Minnie the Minx » 12 Oct 2017, 22:48

zoomboogity wrote:Yeah, imagine her surprise to find out this has been going on all this time... maybe even right in front of her. That's show biz.


Are you suggesting that he sexually assaulted women in front of his wife and she didn't do anything?
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby Charlie O. » 13 Oct 2017, 00:01

bee-eating feminist says you're late wrote:Are you suggesting that he sexually assaulted women in front of his wife and she didn't do anything?

I would suspect that she might have heard something about the pay-offs, at least.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

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bee-eating feminist says you're late wrote:Are you suggesting that he sexually assaulted women in front of his wife and she didn't do anything?


No, not quite. EDIT: I reread what I wrote, and i'd forgotten what I meant. I meant that although she was aware of his proclivities (or should have been), a lot of his transgressions went on right in front of her, yet she somehow never noticed, just as his own company never noticed and are "shocked" and "dismayed" at the news coming out.

But now that you ask, it certainly isn't outside the realm of comprehension that he did his share of unwelcome groping in front of her, and she did nothing. If he did it for decades, why wouldn't he do it in front of her? That's how emboldened he was, thanks to his position in the industry and the enforced silence within the industry, especially given that other Hollywood executives felt free to behave in the same manner. She sure doesn't seem interested in "standing by her man" right now and giving him the benefit of the doubt.

And he's not the only Hollywood mogul who felt safe doing this. The decades of enforced silence wasn't just to protect Weinstein, this started long before he came along. And it wasn't always behind closed doors, sometimes it was out in full view, as noted in the article below. This reprehensible behavior has been going on in Hollywood for over 100 years, I just find it strange that it's suddenly become the "hot topic" in the news. Who knows where this will lead - a full-blown investigation with Hollywood moguls doing time in prison, or everyone's eyebrows going up and down for a week or two before some other shiny object takes everyone's attention away and the whole thing gets shuffled away? The media will protect itself as best it can. At least it will try - Weinstein seems like the sort of person who won't go down alone. His own brother describes him as a "very sick man," he would certainly know better than I.

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Crews, a 6-foot-2-inch, 240-pound former body guard, sent out a series of tweets on Tuesday, explaining that no one is immune from sexual harassment and assault.

“This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME,” Crews wrote in the first of 16 tweets.

Crews explained that in 2016, he and his wife were at a Hollywood function when an executive came over and groped him.

“Jumping back I said What are you doing?! My wife saw everything n [sic] we looked at him like he was crazy. He just grinned like a jerk,” Crews wrote.

The “Brooklyn Nine-Nine” star said he wanted to have a physical altercation with the executive, but worried about the optics of a fight.

“'240 lbs. Black Man stomps out Hollywood Honcho' would be the headline the next day,” Crews wrote. “Only I probably wouldn’t have been able to read it because I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL. So we left.”

Crews explained that eventually the executive called him to apologize, adding that he never pressed charges out of fear of being ostracized in Hollywood.

“I decided not 2 [sic] take it further becuz [sic] I didn’t want 2b [sic] ostracized— par 4 [sic] the course when the predator has power n [sic] influence. I let it go. And I understand why many women who this happens to let it go,” Crews tweeted.

Crews added that he believed few people believe victims, who would face a host of repercussions and possibly lose their ability to work.

“I understand and empathize with those who have remained silent. But Harvey Weinstein is not the only perpetrator. Hollywood is not the only business we’re [sic] this happens, and to the casualties of this behavior— you are not alone,” Crews wrote. “Hopefully, me coming forward with my story will deter a predator and encourage someone who feels hopeless.”
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby zoomboogity » 13 Oct 2017, 03:27

I should also note that it's not only the producers doing this. I know a few people in that industry - writers and editors mostly, nobody famous - who have told me a few horror stories involving the parents of child actors. So there's plenty of blame and shame to go around. This stuff hasn't been happening in a vacuum.

It wouldn't surprise me if Weinstein and his wife mutually agreed to end their marriage so she gets half their money in the divorce and they can keep it in the family while everyone goes after him. There will be plenty of lawsuits flying around, and her money won't be touched. So who knows, maybe she is standing by him after all.

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Crews, a 6-foot-2-inch, 240-pound former body guard, sent out a series of tweets on Tuesday, explaining that no one is immune from sexual harassment and assault.

“This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME,” Crews wrote in the first of 16 tweets.

This is off subject a bit, but I read that the other day, and his reference to PTSD bothered me. PTSD is an anxiety disorder suffered by people who have undergone very traumatic experiences. While I understand that a drunk creep groping your crotch at a party is an unpleasant experience, and in no way acceptable behaviour, it seems a bit over the top.

Fair play to him for speaking out though.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby !!VAPRANT!! » 13 Oct 2017, 09:17

zoomboogity wrote:I should also note that it's not only the producers doing this. I know a few people in that industry - writers and editors mostly, nobody famous - who have told me a few horror stories involving the parents of child actors. So there's plenty of blame and shame to go around. This stuff hasn't been happening in a vacuum.

It wouldn't surprise me if Weinstein and his wife mutually agreed to end their marriage so she gets half their money in the divorce and they can keep it in the family while everyone goes after him. There will be plenty of lawsuits flying around, and her money won't be touched.


Hmm....yeah. That would make sense.




'a mistake' - I can't get over that. Years of reprehensible behaviour, possibly symptomatic of mental illness, and he still sees it as a 'mistake'.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby zoomboogity » 13 Oct 2017, 09:20

Nick wrote:it seems a bit over the top.


Perhaps it wasn't the first time something like that happened to him, and not necessarily when he was a working actor or even an adult. Just a guess. Would it seem any less over the top had this nameless executive done the same thing to a woman? Or been a woman, doing it to either a woman or man?

ooooooohhhhh yeah wrote:'a mistake' - I can't get over that. Years of reprehensible behaviour, possibly symptomatic of mental illness, and he still sees it as a 'mistake'.


Sounds pretty sociopathic - "a mistake" made by other people in letting him get outed. Like I said, if he goes down, he's taking people with him. After all, he did nothing wrong. They OWE him for this.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby pcqgod » 13 Oct 2017, 15:22

I have a feeling this might turn out like the Jimmy Saville thread.
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pcqgod wrote:I have a feeling this might turn out like the Jimmy Saville thread.


Might?
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Re: Harvey Weinstein in trouble

Postby sloopjohnc » 13 Oct 2017, 16:35

And now the head of Amazon entertainment has been suspended.
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