go go gilliam
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go go gilliam
which one of these terry gilliam movies do you prefer and why? rank them if you wish.
edit: somehow i messed up and couldn't get baron munchausen properly entered. i tried twice, dammit. and now i must be off (more so than usual)...
edit: somehow i messed up and couldn't get baron munchausen properly entered. i tried twice, dammit. and now i must be off (more so than usual)...
I was tempted to go with 'Time Bandits', it really is a wonderful film. But, I voted 'Brazil'. I can't imagine not voting for Brazil. like 'Time Bandits' it feels like a movie that just came pouring out of somebody's head.
i don't think it's as lean or satisfying as time bandits but maybe that's why I'm voting for it. he took a BIG bite when he made that one. he's taken big bites since, it just has the heft of 'art' to it. he makes his point, i think, beautifully well.
there's a scene of a man literally consumed by paperwork. the movie is filled to the brim with things like that and the satire is sharp and ably performed.
just for the record, I like '12 monkeys' a lot but while he's a director of vision, I prefer the movies that come from that wonderful, lopsided brain of his.
i don't think it's as lean or satisfying as time bandits but maybe that's why I'm voting for it. he took a BIG bite when he made that one. he's taken big bites since, it just has the heft of 'art' to it. he makes his point, i think, beautifully well.
there's a scene of a man literally consumed by paperwork. the movie is filled to the brim with things like that and the satire is sharp and ably performed.
just for the record, I like '12 monkeys' a lot but while he's a director of vision, I prefer the movies that come from that wonderful, lopsided brain of his.
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soul-a-skope wrote:if only he could have finished don quixote.
wowww. i didn't know he was even doing don quixote. do you know where i could find more info on this?
as for moi... i am a gilliam fanatic in general, although strangely enough, i have not yet seen the brothers grimm. i find something to love in all of his movies... even the very weird and spotty jabberwocky (with that lovable monarch, bruno the questionable).
my pick is the fisher king, with brazil a close second. i know fisher has some problems, a too pat ending perhaps, a few overdone or cheesy scenes, but it just appeals to me for so many reasons. robin williams and mercedes reuhl (sp?) are hysterical, and i love the way it's written, with the typical gilliammy paranoia and seemingly unreal threads being woven together into something very real... real AND symbolic at the same time. all of his non-python movies are marked by this.
brazil is also incredible, of course. very strange, though... i could've sworn when i first saw the film in the theater, during the scene where our heroine gets shot, i could've sworn i actually SAW the gun against her head and the trigger pulled. every time i've seen it since, that scene is just blackness. you hear, but you don't see. i guess this is yet another instance of my paying for all that acid i did in the summer of '77.
i really do love every movie on this list, save the unseen grimm. i have heard icky things about it. has anyone here seen it?
re: grimm brothers
I didn't like it much but I didn't like his 'Fear and Loathing' movie very much so...
consider the source.
you've gotta see the documentary about the quixote film, it's very good.
so is the supplementals stuff on the DVD of 12 monkeys. that's guys NUTS!!!!
consider the source.
you've gotta see the documentary about the quixote film, it's very good.
so is the supplementals stuff on the DVD of 12 monkeys. that's guys NUTS!!!!
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I went for Brazil, a film whose bizarre mixture of bleak Orwellian dystopia with hyper comic book seemed to suit Gilliam's epic flights of fancy.
For once the film seemed to match, rather than be buried by , Gilliam's ambition. He's a frustrating director with almost too many ideas for his own good, his uncertain handling of narrative seems to sink most of his films, although they always have something interesting about them.
For once the film seemed to match, rather than be buried by , Gilliam's ambition. He's a frustrating director with almost too many ideas for his own good, his uncertain handling of narrative seems to sink most of his films, although they always have something interesting about them.
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I went for 12 monkeys, linking to another thread, its Brad Pitts best film role to me.
I almost went for the fisher king, but Robin Williams, tho he was good, as usual over played the schmaltz.
I've not seen the brothers grimm yet, I've only had the DVD since Xmas But we did see it playing in a cinema in a small town in Cuba last year, so I guess Castro is a fan.
I almost went for the fisher king, but Robin Williams, tho he was good, as usual over played the schmaltz.
I've not seen the brothers grimm yet, I've only had the DVD since Xmas But we did see it playing in a cinema in a small town in Cuba last year, so I guess Castro is a fan.
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Corporal Moddie! wrote:For once the film seemed to match, rather than be buried by , Gilliam's ambition. He's a frustrating director with almost too many ideas for his own good, his uncertain handling of narrative seems to sink most of his films, although they always have something interesting about them.
I think there's a lot of truth in this.
The good: While Brazil is undoubtedly his masterpiece, I love Fisher King just a little bit more (the best acting in a Gilliam film ever, by all four involved). And Time Bandits is perfect, Münchhausen is great fun too. Jabberwocky little more than a 'Holy Grail' afterthought.
It's about time I saw 12 Monkeys again... it's been ages.
The bad: as far as I'm concerned, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas is an absolute disaster of a movie, and Johnny Depp a ridiculous caricature. And The Brothers Grimm? The fact that I can't stand Matt Damon didn't help, but I'd say avoid at all costs, it's extremely disappointing.
Has anybody seen Tideland?
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again, my apologies about the poor missing baron munchausen (and sting looked so munchy in that film, too.) i think we have two votes for it? everyone, imagine it on the list, with two votes, and ye can all do the math in figuring out real percentages. (math + kath = match made in hell.)
onward...
well, mayhaps i enjoyed it a tad more than you did, if only for the fact that i loved hunter s.'s's's original sooo much, and i've tripped so much, that it made its own weird, overblown cartoonish sense to me.
but yeah, it was pretty fucquin bad, actually. yep.
as i've said, i haven't seen this yet, but i must admit that casting matt damon and heath whatthefucque is surprisingly off to me, for a movie about grimms. sounds more like MTV cast the flick. what was gilliam thinking?? i am afraid of watching it, and i hate having to say that about a gilliam flick. afraid, even though i luvvvv the real brothers grimm, as well. to collect warped, killer tales from folklore for what amounts to yer dissertation... how cool is THAT, i ask ye?
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onward...
Neige wrote:The bad: as far as I'm concerned, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas is an absolute disaster of a movie, and Johnny Depp a ridiculous caricature.
well, mayhaps i enjoyed it a tad more than you did, if only for the fact that i loved hunter s.'s's's original sooo much, and i've tripped so much, that it made its own weird, overblown cartoonish sense to me.
but yeah, it was pretty fucquin bad, actually. yep.
Neige wrote:And The Brothers Grimm? The fact that I can't stand Matt Damon didn't help, but I'd say avoid at all costs, it's extremely disappointing.
as i've said, i haven't seen this yet, but i must admit that casting matt damon and heath whatthefucque is surprisingly off to me, for a movie about grimms. sounds more like MTV cast the flick. what was gilliam thinking?? i am afraid of watching it, and i hate having to say that about a gilliam flick. afraid, even though i luvvvv the real brothers grimm, as well. to collect warped, killer tales from folklore for what amounts to yer dissertation... how cool is THAT, i ask ye?
kath
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His newest Tideland is out on DVD now, I saw an advance screener of it almost (maybe more than) a year ago.
Brazil for me...btw
Brazil for me...btw
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The Fish wrote:Also has no one pointed out that Gilliam didn't actually direct the Python films (Terry Jones did).
well, i considered this, but gilliam *is* listed as co-director on the python films, so i took them as fair game, even though co-directing at least on grail probably meant the animated sequences only. i figured it was better safe than sorry, the more the merrier. if i hadn't included them, someone could've pointed that out, as well.
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Fair dos.
Wasn't meaning to sound nitpicky there or suggest you didn't know your stuff.
It is a commom misconception though. Gilliam = film director. Gilliam was in Monty Python. Monty Python made films ergo........
As per a previous comment has anyone seen Tideland yet.
I have bought this on DVD. meaning to set aside time to watch it properly. Ditto Pan's Labyrinth. I somehow see those as quite a good double bill. Both visually stunning, imaginative and yet slightly disturbing.
Wasn't meaning to sound nitpicky there or suggest you didn't know your stuff.
It is a commom misconception though. Gilliam = film director. Gilliam was in Monty Python. Monty Python made films ergo........
As per a previous comment has anyone seen Tideland yet.
I have bought this on DVD. meaning to set aside time to watch it properly. Ditto Pan's Labyrinth. I somehow see those as quite a good double bill. Both visually stunning, imaginative and yet slightly disturbing.
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The Fish wrote:Fair dos.
Wasn't meaning to sound nitpicky there or suggest you didn't know your stuff.
nope, nope, not at all.
The Fish wrote:I have bought this on DVD. meaning to set aside time to watch it properly. Ditto Pan's Labyrinth. I somehow see those as quite a good double bill. Both visually stunning, imaginative and yet slightly disturbing.
definitely so for pan's labyrinth. (stop raving about it, kath, stopstop.) i haven't even *heard* of tideland or what it's about until this board. i'm so behind on everything, i swear. but i will be looking for it now.
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kath wrote: i haven't even *heard* of tideland or what it's about until this board. i'm so behind on everything, i swear. but i will be looking for it now.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/C ... 70,00.html
nathan wrote:I realize there is a time and a place for unsexy music, but I personally have no time for it.
Django wrote: It's video clips of earnest post-rock I want, and I have little time for anything else.
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