Matt Wilson wrote:Don't be patronizing, Davey.
Help! That remark is patronizing!
Matt Wilson wrote:Snarfyguy wrote:Matt Wilson wrote:Don't be patronizing, Davey.
Help! That remark is patronizing!
Are you being a cunt, Chris?
nathan wrote:I realize there is a time and a place for unsexy music, but I personally have no time for it.
Django wrote: It's video clips of earnest post-rock I want, and I have little time for anything else.
Matt Wilson wrote:
There was the same debate in the US. So what? The debate was ridiculous. The Deer Hunter isn't portraying itself as a true life event like My Darling Clementine therefore you can't use the same criteria to judge it. It's as simple as that.
Besides, to play devil's advocate how do you know someone, somewhere didn't play Russian Roulette in the jungles of Vietnam or in Saigon? You'd have a hard time proving otherwise.
When you watch Gone with the Wind do you complain that there's no documented evidence of a guy with two women (one of them pregnant) escaping the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War? Or how about in From Here to Eternity when Pruitt tries to rejoin the Army after deserting it and is shot. Geez, I never read of that happening...
I could go on and on...
Corporal Moddie! wrote:Matt Wilson wrote:
There was the same debate in the US. So what? The debate was ridiculous. The Deer Hunter isn't portraying itself as a true life event like My Darling Clementine therefore you can't use the same criteria to judge it. It's as simple as that.
Besides, to play devil's advocate how do you know someone, somewhere didn't play Russian Roulette in the jungles of Vietnam or in Saigon? You'd have a hard time proving otherwise.
When you watch Gone with the Wind do you complain that there's no documented evidence of a guy with two women (one of them pregnant) escaping the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War? Or how about in From Here to Eternity when Pruitt tries to rejoin the Army after deserting it and is shot. Geez, I never read of that happening...
I could go on and on...
Utterly specious Matt, The Deerhunter was one of the first Vietnam films a mere four years after US withdrawl. You can't compare it to some historical melodrama especially as the film itself had spent the first 90 minutes parading its naturalism.
davey the fat boy wrote:Corporal Moddie! wrote:Matt Wilson wrote:
There was the same debate in the US. So what? The debate was ridiculous. The Deer Hunter isn't portraying itself as a true life event like My Darling Clementine therefore you can't use the same criteria to judge it. It's as simple as that.
Besides, to play devil's advocate how do you know someone, somewhere didn't play Russian Roulette in the jungles of Vietnam or in Saigon? You'd have a hard time proving otherwise.
When you watch Gone with the Wind do you complain that there's no documented evidence of a guy with two women (one of them pregnant) escaping the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War? Or how about in From Here to Eternity when Pruitt tries to rejoin the Army after deserting it and is shot. Geez, I never read of that happening...
I could go on and on...
Utterly specious Matt, The Deerhunter was one of the first Vietnam films a mere four years after US withdrawl. You can't compare it to some historical melodrama especially as the film itself had spent the first 90 minutes parading its naturalism.
I don't see where accuracy factors in at all with either film. If I want accuracy I'll buy a book or search out a documentary. When I watch a feature film I'm looking for some kind of artistic statement or at least entertainment. I don't have the expectation that what I am watching is absolutely factually true.
Why do you care about this?
Footy wrote:
The Who / Jimi Hendrix Experience Saville Theatre, London Jan '67
. Got Jimi's autograph after the show and went on to see him several times that year
toomanyhatz wrote:
It's the two lowest ranked ones I'm most rooting for out of what's left, although I too wonder what THE THIRD MAN's doing here. It's not an American film- not an American director, not made here, not set here. What's the deal? Classic, classic film though.
Corporal Moddie! wrote:davey the fat boy wrote:Corporal Moddie! wrote:Matt Wilson wrote:
There was the same debate in the US. So what? The debate was ridiculous. The Deer Hunter isn't portraying itself as a true life event like My Darling Clementine therefore you can't use the same criteria to judge it. It's as simple as that.
Besides, to play devil's advocate how do you know someone, somewhere didn't play Russian Roulette in the jungles of Vietnam or in Saigon? You'd have a hard time proving otherwise.
When you watch Gone with the Wind do you complain that there's no documented evidence of a guy with two women (one of them pregnant) escaping the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War? Or how about in From Here to Eternity when Pruitt tries to rejoin the Army after deserting it and is shot. Geez, I never read of that happening...
I could go on and on...
Utterly specious Matt, The Deerhunter was one of the first Vietnam films a mere four years after US withdrawl. You can't compare it to some historical melodrama especially as the film itself had spent the first 90 minutes parading its naturalism.
I don't see where accuracy factors in at all with either film. If I want accuracy I'll buy a book or search out a documentary. When I watch a feature film I'm looking for some kind of artistic statement or at least entertainment. I don't have the expectation that what I am watching is absolutely factually true.
Why do you care about this?
I like the film a lot, I find the roulette sequence immensely powerful. We can take it as an audacious metaphor for the way war dehumanises prehaps. Nevertheless the film had spent the precious 90 minutes or so establishing a realism, there was nothing in the narrative to prepare you for such an outrageous fiction. And there is a political subtext to this, which is a representation of the vietnamese as inhumane sadists. Given it's closeness to the events it was depicting you can quite see why some would see this as crude propaganda.
I'm uneasy about it while recognising its brilliance. Film can be like that, it doesn't have to be black and white.
toomanyhatz wrote:It's the two lowest ranked ones I'm most rooting for out of what's left
davey the fat boy wrote:Citizen Kane, The Godfather and Gone With the Wind
GoogaMooga wrote: The further away from home you go, the greater the risk of getting stuck there.
D wrote:23.THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)
28.APOCALYPSE NOW (1979)
38.DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944)
57.THE THIRD MAN (1949)
61.VERTIGO (1958)
Dr. Strangelove had to go. It's not quite as good as the rest, in that it's not as plainly enjoyable. And it's a little too in love with itself.
Snarfyguy wrote:davey the fat boy wrote:Citizen Kane, The Godfather and Gone With the Wind
Does Gone With the Wind typically keep such august company? I admit, I haven't seen it since I was a teenager, when I had no use whatsoever for it, but I've always thought it was generally considered (critically, rather than popularly) an overheated melodrama.
D wrote:23.THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)
28.APOCALYPSE NOW (1979)
38.DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944)
57.THE THIRD MAN (1949)
61.VERTIGO (1958)
Dr. Strangelove had to go. It's not quite as good as the rest, in that it's not as plainly enjoyable. And it's a little too in love with itself.