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Marvel can't do super villains

Posted: 19 May 2019, 19:03
by Copehead
Let's face it they have recently just been deus ex machina, no real back story no real motivation just something for the Avengers to fight.

Marvel do superheroes very well,apart from that twerp with the bow and arrows, good backstories, good motivation not all white hat, apart from Captain America perhaps.

But Villains?:

Ultron was that hackiest of constructs - the AI that sees human history and decides that it must logically kill humans to save the planet. And visually he is just a fucking robot, what a swizz, just something metal for Iron Man and Hulk to bash around. Crapola.

Thanos is even worse an intergalactic dickhead who has decided for reasons not entirely clear that half the life in the universe must be wiped out for "balance", that is something a 10 year old might come up with, it is fucking awful and he looks shit too.

Dr Doom isn't too bad but the Fantastic Four has never been a big part of the franchise and Magneto is excellent but is he really even a villain in the traditional sense? He has very good reasons for acting like he does that most of us would probably support he is an antagonist for Professor X rather than a villain. Doctor Octopus hasn't had much of a shout and Venom and Kingpin are shit too. Loki is just a mirror image of Thor with a smear of Viking myth.

Not really a decent super villain worth the name between the whole lot of them really.

DC have the opposite problem a whole host of great super villains, mostly human, with understandable motivations and back stories including the greatest of them all -The Joker, can't wait for the backstory film of that, hope they don't fuck it up.

But Lex Luthor is great too: Scarecrow, Brainiac, Two Face, Cat Woman, Harley Quinn, The Riddler, Penguin. Nearly all of them the enemies of one super hero - Batman. But none are deus ex machina; they live on Earth are mainly human and generally are just psychos who want make a living. Let's not talk about Bane.

Herowise - Batman is fucking awesome obviously but Superman is as boring as hell ( Dr Manhattan is a far more interesting take on what real super powers would do to someone ), Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash and the Green Lantern little better.

Especially when put up against: Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Spiderman, Wolverine, Deadpool, Black Panther or even Ant Man ( who should have really shrunk crawled up Thanos' arse and supersized himself if he'd really wanted to help the Avengers ) Silver Surfer or Dr Strange.

So really you need to swap Batman into the Avengers Universe with all his Villains, but that really wouldn't work because most of the heroes in Marvel are far too powerful for the villains in DC, so impasse.

So you just have enjoy the Marvel films for the Heroes and put up with crappy super villains who want to destroy everything because they've had a bad morning and enjoy the DC films when they are any good, which is generally only the Batman ones ( how can you make the omnipotent Superman interesting, only by making him weak by having Kryptonite or having him fight evil supermen and that, paradoxically, is boring).

So come on The Joker, let's hope it is good, it seems to be based around "The Killing Joke", the idea that one bad day can turn you insane and that the Joker and Batman aren't even flip sides of the same coin they are exactly the same apart from their respective privilege, so it looks hopeful.

Re: Marvel can't do super villains

Posted: 20 May 2019, 06:58
by Lord Rother

Re: Marvel can't do super villains

Posted: 20 May 2019, 12:46
by Copehead
Lord Rother wrote::lol:

That's general idea