100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby GoogaMooga » 21 Oct 2018, 13:54

Pansy Puff wrote:I'm watching Close Encounters right now. Watching it with my son.

Seems like this is missing from the list (and Jaws).


Jaws is a masterpiece and a milestone in the history of film. But it has not been canonized, and I think what they try to present here is an "ideal cinematheque", which means stuffy, academic, and a little bit boring. A good cinematheque will mix and match. First time I saw Deep Throat was at a cinematheque. A good cinematheque will explore, not trot out the pantheon directors time and again.
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby Matt Wilson » 21 Oct 2018, 16:35

What I like about it, indeed, what I liked about an international list of the top 100 films that I posted here last year, is that you don't see your typical Hollywood canon films represented much. There's no Spielberg, Scorsese, On The Waterfront, nothing by Jack Nicholson or Bogart, etc. It's a French list and they see things differently. Nothing wrong with that. Are they still obsessed with Chaplin? All of his major works were represented on this list. Only two films from the 21st Century, and I think there were more from the '20s than the '70s. Gone with the Wind didn't even make it.
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby The Modernist » 21 Oct 2018, 18:22

GoogaMooga wrote:I think it's random, although there are some biggies up front. Number 2 is Night of the Hunter, never seen that rated so high before - but you never know with the Cahiers crowd.


Given Kane is number one, I think we can assume it's in order.
I find it a very stuffy list to be honest. It feels preserved and immobile. The Time Out ones are better.

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Postby GoogaMooga » 21 Oct 2018, 18:34

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GoogaMooga wrote:I think it's random, although there are some biggies up front. Number 2 is Night of the Hunter, never seen that rated so high before - but you never know with the Cahiers crowd.


Given Kane is number one, I think we can assume it's in order.
I find it a very stuffy list to be honest. It feels preserved and immobile. The Time Out ones are better.


For the Pantheon, I am very reactionary, choices cast in stone. But programming for a cinematheque is a whole other thing, that calls for exploration, taking risks.
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

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I don't know what the difference between a pantheon and a cinematheque is...they both sound like nightclubs to me, but any culture which is set in stone becomes a dead culture.

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Postby Matt Wilson » 21 Oct 2018, 19:05

Geraint wants a list which includes Withnail and I.
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Postby Goat Boy » 21 Oct 2018, 19:17

I counted 38.

It's a crusty list.
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The Modernist wrote:I don't know what the difference between a pantheon and a cinematheque is...they both sound like nightclubs to me, but any culture which is set in stone becomes a dead culture.


To me the Pantheon is an exclusive thing - no directors to have debuted after 1960. They should be god-like, no room for upstarts. Doesn't mean cinema has to be dead or frozen in time, it's a simple acknowledgment that younger filmmakers are standing on the shoulders of giants (to cop an Oasis title).
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Postby Earl E. Eel » 22 Oct 2018, 09:49

GoogaMooga wrote:First time I saw Deep Throat was at a cinematheque.


You mean you saw it at the cinema?
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby PENK » 22 Oct 2018, 13:58

If you want to do a "greatest films" list thing then I found a link to a better, more mixed option. From a site that collates critical polls like eg the Sight and Sound one. The top 300 films ever, as of whenever this was uploaded.

I'd seen 165 of the 300.

https://www.listchallenges.com/they-shoot-pictures-dont-they-300-greatest-films

The full 'They Shoot Pictures' site has a list of the top 1000 plus top directors, other recommendations etc. It's a good resource.
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PENK wrote:If you want to do a "greatest films" list thing then I found a link to a better, more mixed option. From a site that collates critical polls like eg the Sight and Sound one. The top 300 films ever, as of whenever this was uploaded.

I'd seen 165 of the 300.

https://www.listchallenges.com/they-shoot-pictures-dont-they-300-greatest-films

The full 'They Shoot Pictures' site has a list of the top 1000 plus top directors, other recommendations etc. It's a good resource.


Thanks, Penk, I'll look into that.
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Postby Jeemo » 22 Oct 2018, 20:49

219 of 300.
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Postby GoogaMooga » 22 Oct 2018, 21:16

212 of 300 movies (71%)
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It's a curious list, heavy on entertainment. There is stuff I wouldn't go near today, but there is more importantly something for everyone. A good primer.
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Postby pcqgod » 23 Oct 2018, 02:02

I counted 30/100.
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Postby pcqgod » 23 Oct 2018, 15:12

159/300 for the They Shoot Pictures, and 177/250 of the Reddit list.
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby martha » 25 Oct 2018, 13:54

It's actually 101 films there. I've seen 81. I find the list pretty meh. They have a very white European male aesthetic in place. My ideal cinema would be rather different.

I've not seen these
4. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927)
5. L'atalante (1934)
11. Greed (1924)
20. The Music Room (1958)
23. The Mother and the Whore (1973)
25. The Leopard (1963)
29. Pickpocket (1959)
32. Moonfleet (1955)
34. Le Plaisir (1952)
39. Ivan the Terrible, Part I (1945)
40. Ivan the Terrible, Part II: The Boyars' Plot (1958)
43. The Wind (1928)
50. The Story of a Cheat (1936)
55. Gertrud (1964)
72. Playtime (1967)
73. Rome, Open City (1945)
76. Van Gogh (1991)
81. Talk to Her (2002)
84. The Band Wagon (1953)
87. America, America (1963)


I've seen these from the list.
1. Citizen Kane (1941)
2. The Night of the Hunter (1955)
3. La Regle Du Jeu (1939)
6. M (1931)
7. Singin' in the Rain (1952)
8. Vertigo (1958)
9. Children of Paradise (1945)
10. The Searchers (1956)
12. Rio Bravo (1959)
13. To Be or Not to Be (1942)
14. Tokyo Story (1953)
15. Contempt (1963)
16. Ugetsu (1953)
17. City Lights (1931)
18. The General (1926)
19. Nosferatu (1922)
21. Freaks (1932)
22. Johnny Guitar (1954)
24. The Great Dictator (1940)
26. Hiroshima Mon Amour (1959)
27. Pandora's Box (1929)
28. North by Northwest (1959)
30. Casque D'or (1952)
31. The Barefoot Contessa (1954)
33. The Earrings of Madame De... (1953)
35. The Deer Hunter (1978)
36. L'avventura (1960)
37. Battleship Potemkin (1925)
38. Notorious (1946)
41. The Godfather (1972)
42. Touch of Evil (1958)
44. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
45. Fanny & Alexander (1982)
46. The Crowd (1928)
47. 8½ (1963)
48. La Jetée (1962)
49. Pierrot Le Fou (1965)
51. Amarcord (1973)
52. Beauty and the Beast (1946)
53. Some Like It Hot (1959)
54. Some Came Running (1958)
56. King Kong (1933)
57. Laura (1944)
58. Seven Samurai (1954)
59. The 400 Blows (1959)
60. La Dolce Vita (1960)
61. The Dead (1987)
62. Trouble in Paradise (1932)
63. It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
64. Monsieur Verdoux (1947)
65. The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928)
66. Breathless (1960)
67. Apocalypse Now (1979)
68. Barry Lyndon (1975)
69. Grand Illusion (1937)
70. Intolerance (1916)
71. A Day in the Country (1936)
74. Senso (1955)
75. Modern Times (1936)
77. An Affair to Remember (1957)
78. Andrei Rublev (1966)
79. The Scarlet Empress (1934)
80. Sansho the Bailiff (1954)
82. The Party (1968)
83. Tabu (1931)
85. A Star Is Born (1954)
86. Mr. Hulot's Holiday (1953)
88. Él (1953)
89. Kiss Me Deadly (1955)
90. Once Upon a Time in America (1984)
91. Le Jour Se Lève (1939)
92. Letter From an Unknown Woman (1948)
93. Lola (1961)
94. Manhattan (1979)
95. Mulholland Drive (2001)
96. My Night at Maud's (1969)
97. Night and Fog (1955)
98. The Gold Rush (1925)
99. Scarface (1932)
100. Bicycle Thieves (1948)
101. Napoleon (1927)
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Re: 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque - How many have you seen ?

Postby The Modernist » 26 Oct 2018, 11:28

martha wrote:It's actually 101 films there. I've seen 81. I find the list pretty meh. They have a very white European male aesthetic in place. My ideal cinema would be rather different.


Indeed. It's too wedded to the idea of auteur theory, and the narrow canon that inhabits. I think that way of seeing things has had its day, useful and important though it was.

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GoogaMooga wrote:
The Modernist wrote:I don't know what the difference between a pantheon and a cinematheque is...they both sound like nightclubs to me, but any culture which is set in stone becomes a dead culture.


To me the Pantheon is an exclusive thing - no directors to have debuted after 1960. They should be god-like, no room for upstarts. Doesn't mean cinema has to be dead or frozen in time, it's a simple acknowledgment that younger filmmakers are standing on the shoulder of giants (to cop an Oasis title).
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Postby Neige » 28 Oct 2018, 16:56

60 - it's a good list, because it's not Hollywood-centric

My score basically stems from the fact that I was in films clubs in my younger years and saw all the European classics.
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