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Re: BCB Top 100 TV Shows - What will be our number one?

Postby Ranking Ted » 05 Apr 2018, 13:54

I forgot about it too - would have definitely made a lucid list if I’d had the wherewithal to have made one..

And Father Ted as well, as I’d already said. Two biggest omissions in my list.

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Postby Ranking Ted » 05 Apr 2018, 13:58

Ranking Ted wrote:I forgot about it too - would have definitely made a lucid list if I’d had the wherewithal to have made one..

And Father Ted as well, as I’d already said. Two biggest omissions in my list.

Turns out that’d have no bearing on their placing a though. Just as well.

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Postby Earl E. Eel » 05 Apr 2018, 14:07

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Darkness_Fish wrote:I find it really odd that people are talking about The Simpsons in terms of series, or golden ages, or what not. I've always just thought of it as one of those shows that's always on somewhere, and if you're bored, you might switch over to it. Some are good, some aren't, but a timeline does not exist in my fractured, enfeebled mind.


Same here. I've never quite got the lavish praise.


i get the praise - I think it's incredibly funny and creative at its best - but all this talk of seasons and peaks, not to mention the endless quoting and referencing, is a little sad.

Like the fishy fella said, I watch it when it's on (and it usually is, somewhere), but I couldn't tell you who's who, really. The show seems to attract trainspotting types more than even Star Trek. And it's just a cartoon!
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Postby never/ever » 05 Apr 2018, 14:13

I think it is slightly more than just a cartoon... The various references to real-life events, personalities and situations really require more out f the writers that for a regular Tom & Jerry-cartoon.
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Postby Goat Boy » 05 Apr 2018, 14:15

Why is it sad?

We do the same for bands all the time.

The Simpsons at its best is great popular art, worthy of all the praise and obviously worthy of discussion. To recognise the show had a peak and to discuss its decline is no different to any number of conversations that have taken place on BCB over the years.
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Postby Earl E. Eel » 05 Apr 2018, 14:18

Look - don't get me wrong about the quality of the thing. I think it's wonderful. I just don't understand why or how people have these particular conversations all the time.
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Postby Earl E. Eel » 05 Apr 2018, 14:20

People have to have watched every fucking show! and in sequence! and several times over!
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Normally, Disky are clever at repackaging

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Postby Goat Boy » 05 Apr 2018, 14:26

I don't see evidence of that on BCB. And the whole reference and quoting thing surely applies to Monty Python more than the Simpsons.
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Postby Goat Boy » 05 Apr 2018, 14:29

Twin Peaks was my number one pick. My favourite show of all time.

I'd like to discuss it.
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Postby gash’s trollish obsession » 05 Apr 2018, 14:58

Please don’t.
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Postby The Modernist » 05 Apr 2018, 15:36

never/ever wrote:I think it is slightly more than just a cartoon... The various references to real-life events, personalities and situations really require more out f the writers that for a regular Tom & Jerry-cartoon.


Sure there's a lot more sophistication to it than there would be for a mere 'cartoon'. At the same time its satirical and intertextual aspects tend to be overplayed by a certain kind of cultural critic in order to elevate it; in other words it's clever, but not that clever. Ultimately how much you love it may come down to how inherently funny you find a garish yellow cartoon figure speaking in a silly voice.
None of the above is intended as a criticism btw I like it fine and see it was hugely influential on other programmes. I just don't regard it as extraordinary.

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Postby Earl E. Eel » 05 Apr 2018, 15:38

it's all about the writing
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Postby Goat Boy » 05 Apr 2018, 15:47

They had a total mastery of gags from slapstick to visual puns to witticisms and so on. Being a cartoon liberated them and enabled the show to cram things in in an extraordinary way. I mean there's a gag every ten seconds and during the Golden Years (wap wap wap) the hit rate was incredibly high. The closest non-cartoon comedy show I can think of is something like Police Squad where it's just never ending jokes.
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Postby Earl E. Eel » 05 Apr 2018, 15:56

and there you go
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I've got more Disky product

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One comp to avoid, though, is Disky's "Best of the 70's"

Normally, Disky are clever at repackaging

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Postby Quaco » 05 Apr 2018, 17:35

caramba wrote:
Quaco wrote:It wasn't always intended that way. George Markstein was co-creator, and he definitely saw it as a (trippy, visually interesting) spy series with Number 6 a continuation of John Drake. Needless to say, he and McGoohan began to disagree as the show went on, and by the end, Markstein had left and McGoohan wrapped it up the way he wanted to.


George Markstein is also the nameless government functionary behind the desk who P McG confronts in the credits at the start of the show.

Having read a few biogs of the man and books on the show, I'm not sure if I'd agree that McG wrapped everything up in the way he wanted to though.

In the sense that at first he didn't really know how he wanted it to end, or that "Fall Out" wasn't satisfactory to him being a rush job, or something else? Mainly, I was saying that Markstein's more realistic take was no longer an issue once he left. Which biog do you recommend. I'd love to read one!
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Postby caramba » 05 Apr 2018, 20:07

Quaco wrote:
caramba wrote:
Quaco wrote:It wasn't always intended that way. George Markstein was co-creator, and he definitely saw it as a (trippy, visually interesting) spy series with Number 6 a continuation of John Drake. Needless to say, he and McGoohan began to disagree as the show went on, and by the end, Markstein had left and McGoohan wrapped it up the way he wanted to.


George Markstein is also the nameless government functionary behind the desk who P McG confronts in the credits at the start of the show.

Having read a few biogs of the man and books on the show, I'm not sure if I'd agree that McG wrapped everything up in the way he wanted to though.

In the sense that at first he didn't really know how he wanted it to end, or that "Fall Out" wasn't satisfactory to him being a rush job, or something else? Mainly, I was saying that Markstein's more realistic take was no longer an issue once he left. Which biog do you recommend. I'd love to read one!




Given that last year was the Prisoner's 50th, I really thought there would be a ton of books about the show and biogs of McGoohan plus the obligatory 50th anniversary DVD box set. What actually happened was the show got a cursory episode-a-night showing on some obscure oldies channel on Sky and that was pretty much it.

Ended up watching the youtube video I think you yourself posted. I also read the biog most Prisoner fans on Amazon UK called the best of what proved to be a disappointingly limited bunch ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NOT-NUMBER-Pat ... k+mcgoohan

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Postby Quaco » 05 Apr 2018, 20:26

Thank you caramba! I think I will check that out. I like a lot of the stuff he has done. I actually rated Danger Man higher than The Prisoner in this Top 100 list -- just. He seems like he would have been difficult in real life, but there seems to be a strong person there one could at least respect, and that energy certainly translated to the screen!
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Postby never/ever » 05 Apr 2018, 22:22

You got to hand it to any writing team that gets the term 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' into the world's vocabulary.
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Postby mentalist (slight return) » 06 Apr 2018, 06:52

No Thunderbirds. You should have a good look at yourselves.
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Postby never/ever » 06 Apr 2018, 07:48

mentalist (slight return) wrote:No Thunderbirds. You should have a good look at yourselves.


Did you vote?
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