Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

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Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby The Great Defector » 26 Jan 2018, 12:43

I watched it again last night as there was nothing else on. I liked it at the time, but watching it again makes me appreciate it a bit more. The interweaving of the stories among the stylish shots, soundtracks etc is still the spine and best thing about the movie in terms of writing. Watching it also made me feel like Tarantino almost promised every major enough character, "here, you're gonna get your own scene to shine, it's up to you to make it work". Nearly every major character gets a chance to show some deep thinking and just lay it all out on the table. I think it's been imitated but never matched for the refreshing change it brought to US cinema at the time. I'm sure the more informed film buff will be able to tell us that what he did was nothing new, however to the likes of me and millions of others, it was new at the time.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby OCT » 26 Jan 2018, 15:26

The last time I saw it I felt it was kind of a mess. That 'post-modern' thing where there's a collision of ideas, more attention paid to entertainment than form, loads of references. It's entertaining enough but I don't think it's a great film really. Those two who rob the diner are fucking awful actors.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Goat Boy » 26 Jan 2018, 15:48

I thought it was entertaining as hell when it came out and I still do. Like Withnail or Lebowski the pleasure is in the script and performances.

The whole postmodern angle doesn't really interest me. I think it looks great, the use of music is inspired at times and it fair rattles breathlessly along.

Great? Well it's no Godfather, it's slight, superficial perhaps but there's something pure about it I really love. It's the kind of movie that reminds me why I love the cinema.

That's enough for me. Which is maybe my roundabout way of saying, yeah, it is great.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby K » 26 Jan 2018, 17:02

It so overrated I can't begin to explain. And I loved it when it came out.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby The Modernist » 26 Jan 2018, 17:15

I wouldn't say most of the characters show "deep thinking", quite the opposite in fact. I still like the film though. Here's what I wrote about it in Algroth's recent film poll:
I've been up and down with this one. Liked it when it came out, then spent many years feeling it was overrated. I've come back round to it again. Whilst it has flaws, it's very cleverly put together and I get huge pleasure from the performances of Travolta and Jackson. Generally I think Tarantino is a lot more original than people give him credit for. He's a frustrating figure in many ways because if you followed him from the beginning there was a feeling of my generation has discovered it's own Scorsese or Godard. It's pretty clear to me that he hasn't gone on to become one of the greats as I hoped. But these days I tend to appreciate him for what he is, rather than what I want him to be

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Jan 2018, 04:58

Proving once again, as if there were any doubt, that there is ALWAYS naysayers!

For anything.

Any type of art. It's impossible to please everybody.

No exceptions.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 28 Jan 2018, 06:02

Sometimes I think I sense the presence of an allegory in it. Other times I think it plays at looking like it has one.

Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Positive Passion » 28 Jan 2018, 11:02

A brilliant film that bears watching over and over again.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby OCT » 28 Jan 2018, 12:05

Matt Wilson wrote:Proving once again, as if there were any doubt, that there is ALWAYS naysayers!

For anything.

Any type of art. It's impossible to please everybody.

No exceptions.


Right.

And?


Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Sometimes I think I sense the presence of an allegory in it. Other times I think it plays at looking like it has one.

Any thoughts on this?


Almost definitely the latter. Tarantino hasn't got enough brain power to create a film with genuine allegorical content. He's more interested in showing off (and, in the process, entertaining us).
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby German Dave » 28 Jan 2018, 12:12

That may be so but sometimes artists create things which say much more than they intended them to, which go beyond the scope an artist ordinarily has to be truly astonishing and perfect. Pulp Fiction does that for me. It is a joy from beginning to end (not that we know where the beginning or end are), magic dust sprinkled all over it.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Jan 2018, 12:44

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Matt Wilson wrote:Proving once again, as if there were any doubt, that there is ALWAYS naysayers!

For anything.

Any type of art. It's impossible to please everybody.

No exceptions.


Right.

And?


Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Sometimes I think I sense the presence of an allegory in it. Other times I think it plays at looking like it has one.

Any thoughts on this?


Almost definitely the latter. Tarantino hasn't got enough brain power to create a film with genuine allegorical content. He's more interested in showing off (and, in the process, entertaining us).


He has an IQ of 160 apparently. I don’t think it’s down to intelligence rather he’s just not interested
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby OCT » 28 Jan 2018, 12:59

I wouldn't disagree with either of you.

I like the film. It's just a bit too long and (consequently?) there are too many flaws for me to think of it as a real classic.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Jan 2018, 13:45

The Modernist wrote:I wouldn't say most of the characters show "deep thinking", quite the opposite in fact. I still like the film though. Here's what I wrote about it in Algroth's recent film poll:
I've been up and down with this one. Liked it when it came out, then spent many years feeling it was overrated. I've come back round to it again. Whilst it has flaws, it's very cleverly put together and I get huge pleasure from the performances of Travolta and Jackson. Generally I think Tarantino is a lot more original than people give him credit for. He's a frustrating figure in many ways because if you followed him from the beginning there was a feeling of my generation has discovered it's own Scorsese or Godard. It's pretty clear to me that he hasn't gone on to become one of the greats as I hoped. But these days I tend to appreciate him for what he is, rather than what I want him to be



I think something similar. He started off very brightly but regressed after Jackie Brown which I think is a great, underrated film and one that showed that Tarantino was capable of much more than his naysayers have claimed over the years.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby The Modernist » 28 Jan 2018, 13:55

He can still write sparkling dialogue and has a great knack for confrontational scenes that have you on the edge of your seat. He's the kind of guy who can put two guys in a room and have you gripped. In a funny way his talents seem more suited to theatre.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Jan 2018, 15:37

I really enjoyed Kill Bill but jackie Brown showed there was potential for something more, I dunno, mature I guess but he seemed to not be interested in following that particular route.

It's a shame but I also kinda appreciate him for what he is rather than bemoaning the fact he didn't become what I believed he could, you know?

That opening trio of movies is still some of the most exciting and singular cinema of the last 30 years though imo
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Jan 2018, 15:53

Jackie Brown also has a higher pedigree as it was an Elmore Leonard novel. Tarantino changed the ethnicity of the character and the locale and made it his own. Kill Bill is entirely his own creation and as such, works just fine.

What he need is an editor. His dialogue scenes have become increasingly longer for years now. He's in love with own words. Some of those moments in his last three movies go on forever.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby PENK » 28 Jan 2018, 16:45

What about his two Westerns? Any cop?

Asking as someone who rates the first three (four stars each I guess) thinks Inglorious Basterds was one of the worst films he’s ever seen.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 28 Jan 2018, 16:54

Strange how so many of his last several films have all been extreme revenge fantasies. He seems to enjoy implicating the audience for how easily they can be made to root for atrocity.

It’s an interesting point...but he keeps making it. It’s like he’s down to his last idea.
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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Jan 2018, 16:55

I couldn't stand the ending of Inglorious Basterds. And he set up each of those guys on the team as if they were going to be major players in the film, then gave them all about one decent scene after that. All build up with no follow-through.

I really liked Django, but it was a tad long, same with Hateful Eight - which had too much dialogue.

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Re: Pulp Fiction - Revisted.

Postby K » 28 Jan 2018, 17:07

I loved Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction when they came out. The films felt like something new and exciting. If course, we started to learn that they weren't all new. Reservoir Dogs was a rewrite of City on Fire. Pulp Fiction style over substance which set sail on funny, inconsequential conversation but had no overall story. Kill Bill was a bad amalgam of hundreds of lesser known Kung Fu films and owed everything to the Shaw Brothers.
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