The Modernist wrote:
Belle Lettre wrote:
Stirring post, Dougie. There is another film where the score is as important - Jaws of course, more John Williams.
There are tons of films where the score is hugely important, although it's hard to think of someone as unsubtle and blindingly obvious as Williams (Danny Effman comes close), which is probably what is meant here.
There are but that wasn’t quite my point. Few movies use the score in such an elemental way to the point where it feels more important than what’s actually happening on screen. It’s like a running commentary throughout the movies. I think it’s hugely effective, you think it’s shit. The main theme of Lawrence of Arabia is not subtle either. Subtlety is not always a virtue (I actually do think there is subtlety and beauty btw)
(thematically it's on the same level as a 30s Flash Gordon film)
I disagree. Compare the Flash Gordon movie to Star Wars triology I absolutely do think there is more thematic depth there. It many ways Lukes coming of age story and that’s the main theme and probably what resonates most deeply with some fans but it touches on other stuff too. Vadars story, for example, is ultimately one of redemption, where the simple good/evil dichotomy is challenged creating something more interesting and, yes, thematically nuanced. None of this is examined with any real
depth it’s fair to say but it doesn’t have to be. Just touching on things is sometimes enough in a film. I mean somebody mentioned Bladerunner and I think that’s pretty superficial in its exploration of what it means to be a human but it’s deep enough, you know? I think Star Wars is as deep as it needs to be.
Frankly I don’t think you, or Coan for that matter have much feel for this sorta thing. By ‘thing’ I mean blockbuster popcorn movies with an emphasis on special effects and pure immersive escapism. Coan is more likely to watch Alan Bennett arsing about with a crumpet and talking about such middling holiday in fucking Scunthorpe* and I don’t see much evidence of you seeking this kind of movie out either. That’s cool.
But when you say stuff like this:
But I think it's success is chiefly a lowest common denominator thing combined with very clever marketing. And once you've bought into it then you becoming part of this gigantic community of fans and I think people are really drawn to those kind of shared experiences, and because it's been going so long shared histories, these days.
Then I think you’re starting to sound like a bit of tedious snob here.
People do like to belong to a group, of course and, yes, people do seek out shared experiences but to reduce its appeal to this and “clever marketing” is too reductionist and a wee bit patronising. Besides, not all Star wars fans are part of that particular community and I certainly don't feel much kinship with it, particularly the hardcore element but then I feel an aversion to groups in general. It's always been a more personal relationship for me.
Anyway, we’ve been here before every time Star Wars comes up on here and it’s a bit boring really because opinions are so polarised. I think I’ve said about as much as I can you know? * to be serious Coan likes character driven movies set in the real world