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Annie Hall

Postby K » 20 May 2017, 23:10

Watching for the first time in a few years, it's so much better than I remember. Brilliant. Really funny and so different. Would it be made today?
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Charlie O. » 21 May 2017, 01:56

I saw it I don't know how many times in the '70s/early '80s (when I was a teenager) - it was one of my favorite movies.

The last time I saw it - maybe ten years or so ago - Alvy Singer struck me as such a selfish, arrogant shit that it kind of ruined the movie for me, despite very clever storytelling and some undeniably hilarious scenes/lines.

I've been thinking lately that maybe I should give it another go, see what I make of it now.

(I wonder what Diane Keaton would think if she watched it now! I wonder if she has seen it since 1977.)
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby K » 21 May 2017, 07:26

I think Alvy's supposed to be an arrogant shit.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Dr. B. Eef » 21 May 2017, 07:35

Yeah, that put me off it too. He's an irritating wise-cracking smart-arse.

I like the film but there's probably a half-dozen I prefer by WA.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby K » 21 May 2017, 07:42

'O' wrote:Yeah, that put me off it too. He's an irritating wise-cracking smart-arse.

I like the film but there's probably a half-dozen I prefer by WA.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's my favourite (that's a difficult question) but it has such good lines.

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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 21 May 2017, 15:57

I saw it again last week. First time in years.

It's his best for sure (only Crimes and Misdemeanors rivals it). From a narrative storytelling perspective, he's never even come close to matching it again. He opens it by breaking the fourth wall. He's got an animated sequence. He uses subtitles. There are moments of magic realism. The film just throws in the kitchen sink...but the tone never falters. On this level alone, it justifies any and all hyperbole.

I agree that Alvy Singer is an unpleasant character. I think some of that was on purpose (a confession of sorts about who was responsible for the breakup) - but it's easy to see in hindsight that some of it is down to Allen's general unpleasantness.

But so what?

Unpleasant people have lives too. They fall in love. They fall out of love. I can't fault a film for not idealizing it's protagonists.

The script is genuinely funny throughout, but there's some heartbreaking insights along the way. The twin scenes with the lobster in particular have always landed hard on me. So what more can you ask of a romantic comedy?
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby K » 21 May 2017, 16:50

You've just reminded me, for some reason the version i have which is ripped from a DVD didn't have the subtitles. I'd seen the scene before and wasn't sure what had happened. What I did note is that the dialogue during that scene is really shallow - clearly trying to be intellectual rather than actually being.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Matt Wilson » 21 May 2017, 17:16

It's a classic - and as good as anything else he did. There's a tendency here at BCB to always put things down so people can feel superior. The usual suspects apply, but it's something we all do, really. "Oh, that's not really so good, you know." And then list some small faults as if that brings down the entire endeavor. There's great things in life besides David fucking Bowie, you guys... :lol:
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Dr. B. Eef » 21 May 2017, 17:54

Matt Wilson, ladies and gentlemen....
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Goat Boy » 21 May 2017, 18:54

Matt Wilson wrote:It's a classic - and as good as anything else he did. There's a tendency here at BCB to always put things down so people can feel superior. The usual suspects apply, but it's something we all do, really. "Oh, that's not really so good, you know." And then list some small faults as if that brings down the entire endeavor. There's great things in life besides David fucking Bowie, you guys... :lol:



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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Matt Wilson » 22 May 2017, 00:03

Well, one of them posted right above you...
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 22 May 2017, 05:17

I liked it better when this thread was about Annie Hall.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby K » 22 May 2017, 06:25

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I liked it better when this thread was about Annie Hall.

And such small portions.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Charlie O. » 22 May 2017, 06:32

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Re: Annie Hall

Postby Snarfyguy » 22 May 2017, 20:46



This makes me laugh.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby pcqgod » 22 May 2017, 21:58

Woody's character in 'Manhattan' is far more repulsive.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby K » 22 May 2017, 22:02

Snarfyguy wrote:

This makes me laugh.

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I'd forgotten about this scene when I watched the film last week. When he ripped up the licence I laughed out loud. No one else in the room to see me.
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Re: Annie Hall

Postby sloopjohnc » 22 May 2017, 23:07

K wrote:Watching for the first time in a few years, it's so much better than I remember. Brilliant. Really funny and so different. Would it be made today?
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That's my favorite scene. "I used to be a heroin addict, now I'm a methadone addict."
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