The Last Jedi

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The Last Jedi

Postby Darryl Strawberry » 30 Apr 2017, 20:46

Come on, Toby, we've not discussed this yet.

"It's time for the Jedi... to end"
Well, we're excited in my house. Scenes that get me particularly excited included Rey training with the light sabre on the mountainside and as she makes all the bots of rock rise up.
Obviously it will be dark, but I wonder how dark it will allow itself to be? Clearly it will be the last one with Leia, but I wonder if that has been turned into a plot point? In the trailer: no Leia, no Chewy...
8 months to go...
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 02 May 2017, 12:37

I'm hopeful. From bits I've read it does sound like they are going to do something a little bit different than before. I suspect they are going to delve deeper into the history of the Jedi (journey of the whills etc) and possibly gray Jedis which has real dramatic possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if a major character turns to the dark/light side. The trailer does suggest a darker tone.
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Toby » 02 May 2017, 13:25

This is getting into Primal Scream territory where they talk about all their influences for their new album and you think "well, this might be quite good" and then it's a big steaming turd. Rian Johnson talks about all the sorts of films he likes and has mentioned some quite obscure european ones, making me think that this could be the film that Return of the Jedi was meant to be.

There's an interesting interview with Gary Kurtz where he talks about how Return of the Jedi was originally drafted, being quite an ambiguous and dark film, with Han Solo dying and an uncertain ending. Lucas wasn't interested; he'd seen the $ from toy merchandising and wasn't about to risk all that on a film that could see all that dry up. Kurtz's participation with Star Wars ended right there and then.

Perhaps this is going to be that film. I don't know. Lucasfilm for one thing were surprised and energised by the success of Rogue One, which I think was a bit beyond their expectations, certainly given the film's more sombre tone. How that affects the feel of the Last Jedi it's difficult to say.

The ingredients are there I think and I reckon Johnson is intelligent enough to make it quite ambiguous as the trailer shows, and there's the backing from Lucasfilm to take this particular trilogy into darker, more uncertain territory. I reckon that the need to show the old guys is now gone, and actually they've done something quite clever (perhaps unintentionally) by making the OT more poignant, because we don't see Luke, Han and Leia together at all in this trilogy.

There's the requisite amount of mystery to be gleaned from this film. I for one am hoping on a Rey/Kylo Ren doomed love story, a bit perhaps like Twilight (not that I like those films at all). As has been inferred from the trailer, Luke is not quite how Rey expected to him to be, and perhaps he's a bit mental or mad or something. Not sure how Finn will feature. Anyway, I am looking forward to it, but I wasn't particularly taken with the trailer for it.

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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 02 May 2017, 13:57

The Luke in the trailer comes across as similar to how we was intended to be at the end of Jedi. Which is to say sorta broken and wanting to hide. He was originally supposed to walk off into the sunset (echoing the twin suns scene on Tattoine) alone and a despondent, isolated figure.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a826339/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mark-hamill-disagrees-with-luke-skywalker-storyline/


Read into the above what you will. Daisy Ridley said something similar I think. She's also said something about the disappointment of meeting your heroes in relation to her character.
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Darryl Strawberry » 02 May 2017, 17:10

I'd like to read that Kurtz interview. It will be dark, simply because it is the middle story in the trilogy but also I'm hoping Disney are giving the team enough creative freedom to be dark - it will sell whatever - so go for it.
I actually think Harry Potter is a good model here. I've been watching them with my kids and the films (which are better than the books) are not afraid to get very dark or end in a bad place.
I'm looking forward to it, despite the trailer not giving us much to go on.
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 02 May 2017, 18:21

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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby The Great Defector » 03 May 2017, 13:38

Goat Boy wrote:I'm hopeful. From bits I've read it does sound like they are going to do something a little bit different than before.


Not copy the exact storyline from a previous star wars film?
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 03 May 2017, 13:43

Well, aye. I think they are fully aware of that though
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Toby » 03 May 2017, 13:55

K wrote:I'd like to read that Kurtz interview. It will be dark, simply because it is the middle story in the trilogy but also I'm hoping Disney are giving the team enough creative freedom to be dark - it will sell whatever - so go for it.
I actually think Harry Potter is a good model here. I've been watching them with my kids and the films (which are better than the books) are not afraid to get very dark or end in a bad place.
I'm looking forward to it, despite the trailer not giving us much to go on.


I think there's a paradigm shift at Disney as to what their most important fanbase is. It is still 8-12 year old kids in some respects, but I think more and more it's teenagers and silly kiddults like ourselves who have places in our imaginations for bad stuff to happen.

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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 03 May 2017, 13:56

I'd like to see the demographics on who's watching all these comic book movies
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby PENK » 03 May 2017, 14:25

Goat Boy wrote:I'd like to see the demographics on who's watching all these comic book movies


There's a load of twentysomething staff at my school who seem to go and watch one every week, while the 13-16 year-olds we teach seem less interested.
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Re: The Last Jedi

Postby Goat Boy » 03 May 2017, 14:33

Hope for the future then
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