The Last Jedi

[Pansy Puff]

Nope, it's shite.

The one you wrote? Give it a chance.

It's the film business the argument of "if you can do better, then go ahead" is just a cheap comeback. Johnson doesn't seem to care and i'm pretty sure he wouldn't come back with that response. Though I do hope you use that in your line of work when your boss or co workers question your work. " G'on, you do better then".

Oh, Markus... If I had taken the argument of "if you can do better, then go ahead" as my approach your line would be justified.

But I didn't.

[Dr Markus]

Sure, ok.

[The Beatles]

What are you like when you’re out with your mates, Markus? Funny? Argumentative? Quiet?

[Tonto Papadopoulos]

What are you like when you’re out with your mates, Markus? Funny? Argumentative? Quiet?

What are you like?

[The Beatles]

A prince!

[fange]

I saw it last night, and while I enjoyed it for the most part I couldn't help feeling that ... well, maybe there wasn't as much magic as I would have liked from a Star Wars film. It felt like a pretty good Marvel film, somehow.

[PENK]

well, maybe there wasn't as much magic as I would have liked

It isn’t magic. It’s an energy that connects all living things.

[Belle Lettre]

A prince!

Le petit prince

[Dr Markus]

What are you like when you’re out with your mates, Markus? Funny? Argumentative? Quiet?

All of the above, why?

[Neige]

Went yesterday and thought it was fun (although I almost fell asleep a couple of times in the first hour).

I see all the plot-holes and other issues, but don't really care.

... and I really liked the c*s*n* scene (the chase with the big-eared cat-horses and Benicio del Toro's cameo) a lot... and the kids in the final scene were just perfect, IMO.

[Tonto Papadopoulos]

Does anyone actually think Driver is a good actor?

He's better than Daisy Ridley!

[Positive Passion]

It has a 93% rating on Rotten tomatoes. Of course not every review is positive but on the whole the critic reviews have been positive and, at times, glowing.

Fan reviews are way more mixed I suspect

I'm putting all reviews on the same level, basically fans reviews on the same par as critics. I think it's more 50/50 myself with a slight lean to positive reviews. But to say it was an out and out success is wrong I reckon.

i thought the split was more 58/48.

106 is not the percentage you are looking for.

[Positive Passion]

Went yesterday and thought it was fun.

I see all the plot-holes and other issues, but don't really care.

This is my view, though I saw it last week.

[sloopjohnc]

My son and I saw it yesterday. We were two of four people in the theater.

We both liked it. I thought there were too many jokes.

But I like the new set of characters, how it sets up sequels and kinda winds the Resistance back to a new group and Kylo Ren is a more complex Vadar like character. I look forward to Rey's and his relationship in upcoming movies.

[Pansy Puff]

There were too many jokes, I agree. It was the only thing I didn't like about it. Most of it, I loved and I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

[fange]

Went yesterday and thought it was fun (although I almost fell asleep a couple of times in the first hour).

I see all the plot-holes and other issues, but don't really care.

... and I really liked the c*s*n* scene (the chase with the big-eared cat-horses and Benicio del Toro's cameo) a lot... and the kids in the final scene were just perfect, IMO.

Yeah, the last scene with the little kid there looking at the stars, that was pure Star Wars and a lovely touch. Brought back echoes of Luke starring at the suns of Tatooine before he left, and even a young Anakin living as a slave and racing pods to eke out a living. It points to the future in a good way.

But in general, that c*s*no planet scene felt so rushed, so sandwiched between the other subplots that it didn't quite reach its potential for me. It was a chance for some trademark SW cinematic magic, exploring another world like Bespin Cloud City and seeing its unique vistas and feel ... but it went by so fast my impression was just a bit of a cliched art deco style place with a mix of races. I can't even remember the name. The race track looked cool though.

[Goat Boy]

It was better the second time. The flaws are still there of course but there's a lot that's good and daring here and some of it genuinely moved me.

[Tonto Papadopoulos]

Lukes force hologram I can just about by into but then it’s not entirely consistent with the old movies. If Jedi can do this why didn’t Obi-Wan use it against Vadar?

And now force ghosts can interfere in the real world too. If that’s the case why didn’t Yoda help Luke against Vadar then? Or Obi-Wan? In an early version of Return of the Jedi this idea of force ghosts using their powers in the real world existed but it was jettisoned from later versions unsurprisingly. Why? Because it’s not a very good idea. You couldn’t have Luke against Vadar and the emporer with Obi-Wan and Yoda hanging around. It had to be just Luke.

Don't forget that Qui-Gon Jinn taught Yoda how to materialise as a force ghost. Before that Yoda didn't know how to do it so it is totally reasonable that Luke discovered or developed new ways to use the force over a period of (what?) 20 years.
I agree about Leia, but I was actually pleased that this wasn't her death scene.

Lads, lads, it's ALL totally far-fetched. Dogfights in space? Battleships literally metres from each other. Erm... the Force....?

I loved it though it's also clearly shite.

[Tonto Papadopoulos]

The chances of a new Star Wars being considered as good as episodes 4 and 5 are virtually nil. You get what you get. These films are not made with middle aged people in mind anyway.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, Matt, but it was interesting how Nat and I took a nine year old girl, who'd never seen a SW film before, to see The Force Awakens and she loved it but when she then watched A New Hope the next week, albeit on TV at home, she found it really dull. Stupid kids.

[Dr Markus]

[ how Nat and I took a nine year old girl, who'd never seen a SW films.

You knew this Young girl right? You or your better half?