Goat Boy wrote:
From Orpheus.
And that didn't end well
Goat Boy wrote:
From Orpheus.
Goat Boy wrote:Belle Lettre wrote:Fantastic writing, Dougie.
Let's hope G doesn't delete it
Goat Boy wrote:Remember the Tree shouting at Coop, "non-existence! Non-existence!"? Maybe that's what happened to Laura.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
Goat Boy wrote:When I mean non-existent I mean some kind of intermediate state between life and death.
Diamond Dog wrote:...it quite clearly hit the target with you and your nonce...
...a multitude of innuendo and hearsay...
...I'm producing facts here...
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
neville harp wrote:I've only watched half of the first episode (of series 3). I was mesmerised but is it worth ploughing through the rest?
joels344 wrote:neville harp wrote:. I'm in the "The Return is better than the original" camp of Twin Peaks fandom.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.
PENK wrote:And here's the thing: if Coop and Laura are now in a different timeline where Laura died, then none of what we've spent three series watching and thinking about actually happened. Which feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth really.
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Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
The Modernist wrote:joels344 wrote:neville harp wrote:. I'm in the "The Return is better than the original" camp of Twin Peaks fandom.
I don't think I got even a tenth of the enjoyment from it that I got from the original. Some brilliant ideas, particularly in episode 8, but it was so scrappy and tonally so flat. The original TP was more imaginative, warmer, much more humorous and had far better characterisation.
Goat Boy wrote:PENK wrote:And here's the thing: if Coop and Laura are now in a different timeline where Laura died, then none of what we've spent three series watching and thinking about actually happened. Which feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth really.
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Laura vanishing from Twin Peaks on the night she was supposed to die changes some things but not everything. People will still have to deal with her disappearance. They will still grieve and mourn. The town will still be scarred. Donna and James will still probably hook up. Ben will still be after the mill. Big Ed will still be pining after Norma and so on. Yes Audrey will not meet Coop but then she won't be raped by Evil Coop either. Maddy probably won't die either. It changes some things but the world of Twin peaks we visited 25+ years ago still was. It will just be different in some ways but the same in others.
When the scene first happened I thought "shit, this is going to cancel everything out" but of course the fact that Laura doesn't go Home but instead gets put in a different place means that it doesn't.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.
PENK wrote:Goat Boy wrote:PENK wrote:And here's the thing: if Coop and Laura are now in a different timeline where Laura died, then none of what we've spent three series watching and thinking about actually happened. Which feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth really.
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Laura vanishing from Twin Peaks on the night she was supposed to die changes some things but not everything. People will still have to deal with her disappearance. They will still grieve and mourn. The town will still be scarred. Donna and James will still probably hook up. Ben will still be after the mill. Big Ed will still be pining after Norma and so on. Yes Audrey will not meet Coop but then she won't be raped by Evil Coop either. Maddy probably won't die either. It changes some things but the world of Twin peaks we visited 25+ years ago still was. It will just be different in some ways but the same in others.
When the scene first happened I thought "shit, this is going to cancel everything out" but of course the fact that Laura doesn't go Home but instead gets put in a different place means that it doesn't.
All true but none of them will have been affected by the disappearance the same way they were by her actual death, and being found. None of them will have had their lives touched by Coop and in particular the entire third series becomes a bit of a shaggy dog tale.
I get what he was trying to say and I admire the way there are so many small touches and details that add to the message (hell, even the title of the series is a big clue!). I just can't avoid feeling like the conclusion was a big middle finger to the fans: a way of saying that none of this really matters, more fool us for being so invested in these characters and their lives. Essentially he's made this epic, fascinating 18-hour film just as a convoluted way of saying "no you can't have any more".
I loved the series, I thought there was much about it that was great, I just think there were some missteps and that the destination didn't quite justify the journey.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
Goat Boy wrote:When the credits rolled my mate shouted out "Fuck you David Lynch!!!"
Goat Boy wrote:I feel you. I felt totally bummed out by the ending initially and still do to a degree. I get why fans might feel like it's a fuck you. I think the ending, as brutal and anti-climatic as it felt at the time is particularly haunting and powerful though. Just not in the way I would like but, hey, you know. I don't feel that this has negated the original show either but I can understand why some might feel that.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.