Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby Ghost of Harry Smith » 13 Dec 2016, 02:10

Just watched it, I'd give it 2.5 or 3/5. It has some interesting elements but doesn't quite stand up to the fundamental requirement of good speculative fiction - is it believable? Too many bits weren't, from the science of how the hosts were created, to how the park was practically managed, to how Maeve managed to manipulate the technicians to help her.

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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby Dr Markus » 13 Dec 2016, 12:19

Ghost of Harry Smith wrote: to how Maeve managed to manipulate the technicians to help her.


Yeah found that weird, the Asian tech helping her didn't seem care that she and the other two were killing left right and centre/center to escape even though he was human. Didn't care that he'd be up for assisting murder or could be argued for murder. Could be ironic symbolism that she was controlling him for a change because he was infatuated with her rather than with controls like the humans were with her.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby pcqgod » 13 Dec 2016, 23:59

Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:...the fundamental requirement of good speculative fiction - is it believable?


I've always felt that the fundamental requirement of good speculative fiction was to ask interesting questions, rather than to be strictly realistic.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby Ghost of Harry Smith » 14 Dec 2016, 22:41

pcqgod wrote:
Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:...the fundamental requirement of good speculative fiction - is it believable?


I've always felt that the fundamental requirement of good speculative fiction was to ask interesting questions, rather than to be strictly realistic.


They're not mutually exclusive points. Maybe "requirement" is the wrong word but my point is that it's vital for speculative fiction to present its world/environment realistically, so that the reader/viewer believes in its internal logic*.

If that doesn't take place (and I'd argue Westworld is only partially successful), then it's difficult to feel a depth of connection with the narrative and characters.

*in realist drama anyway, I get that postmodern fictions etc are doing something different.

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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby pcqgod » 16 Dec 2016, 16:00

Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:
They're not mutually exclusive points. Maybe "requirement" is the wrong word but my point is that it's vital for speculative fiction to present its world/environment realistically, so that the reader/viewer believes in its internal logic*.

If that doesn't take place (and I'd argue Westworld is only partially successful), then it's difficult to feel a depth of connection with the narrative and characters.

*in realist drama anyway, I get that postmodern fictions etc are doing something different.


One of my favorite sci-fi series ever was MTV's "Aeon Flux" -- and I'm referring to the full episode series rather than the preceding series of shorts. There was little-to-no character development and little continuing narrative because there was basically no continuity from episode to episode. A lot of it flat didn't make sense in any scientific way. But nearly every episode featured some mind-blowing concepts. Nevertheless, I'll grant that generally it's important for most fiction, even wildly speculative fiction, to have internal logic and continuity. I don't see that as a problem in "Westworld," myself, but I'm probably less nit-picky than you.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

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Postby fange » 11 Apr 2018, 14:54

Looks like we're not far off from Series 2. Anybody still keen to see what happens?
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Postby Dr Markus » 11 Apr 2018, 15:01

Yeah I am, looking forward to it.
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Postby pcqgod » 12 Apr 2018, 16:21

Is the Man in Black going to be back? Thought I saw him in the promos.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby fange » 13 Apr 2018, 01:42

If memory serves, he got shot at but not killed at the end of season 1, so i'm hoping/expecting to see him.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby Dr Markus » 13 Apr 2018, 11:39

pcqgod wrote:Is the Man in Black going to be back? Thought I saw him in the promos.


Is that ed Harris's character? Yeah he's back. To be honest, as much as I loved the show it got a tiny bit too convoluted sometimes. Maybe I need to brush up on it.
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Re: Westworld: the next must-see cable series?

Postby pcqgod » 13 Apr 2018, 16:19

I definitely need to watch at least the final episode of season 1 again.
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