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Re: Spectre

Postby Polishgirl » 27 Oct 2015, 17:02

Saw it last night. Without trying to spoil too much for people, if Skyfall and Casino Royale were 9 out of 10, I'd give it a 7 and 1/2.

There are some spectacular bits, notably the opening sequence, and some beautiful and exciting stuff in Rome and Austria. Storyline isn't as tight and gripping as the superior 2 movies, but it's certainly entertaining enough and better than most of the dross shown at the flicks. Esp enjoyed Ralph Fiennes and Andrew Scott. Lea Seydoux is good, but there didn't seem to be much "fire" between her and Craig, unlike Monica Bellucci.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Rayge » 27 Oct 2015, 17:18

They can't even spell the man's name right
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Re: Spectre

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Rayge wrote:They can't even spell the man's name right


You're not still going on about Roger Hunt, surely...

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Re: Spectre

Postby Matt Wilson » 27 Oct 2015, 20:20

So it's not as good as Casino Royale or Skyfall, how does it compare to Quantum of Solace?

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Re: Spectre

Postby Polishgirl » 27 Oct 2015, 21:49

See, I didn't mind Q of S- probably because I liked some of the locations. I'd say Q was a 6. Spectre suffers from a similarly disjointed plot, but is more fun, more elegant and more of a spectacle.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Oct 2015, 13:01

It falls slightly below Skyfall but not by that much. I think it suffers from repeating the whole Bond is a bit old, Bond goes rogue, Bonds superiors suspend him, Bond does his own thing, superiors eventually realise Bond was on the right trail scenario that has become something of a trope. I feel that the new Bond needs to be a significantly younger man which, considering the physicality of the character, he would be anyway.

I liked the slight campness in Blofeld but I thought that he could have pushed it a bit further maybe but considering the tone of the new movies perhaps he felt this was enough. I wasn’t sure about his backstory with Bond however and why they made it more personal. To me Blofeld is above that sorta thing, he’s just motivated by money and power and Bond happens to be a recurring fly in his soup, that’s all. I really liked the cult like scenes with Spectre as well and I’m glad they brought it back; it was one of my criticisms about Quantum that they abandoned the idea of this shadowy organisation that appears in Casino Royale for a purely stand-alone plot. The torture scene was great, I loved Bond waking up and the white cat appearing. It’s iconic for Bond fans and it gave me a wee Bond semi. Craig is terrific and there’s a bit more knowing humour which mostly works and the development of Q and M is nice to see too. I have to say the whole thing looked fantastic and the cinematography of the new movies have been incredibly lush. It looked like they spent 300 million on it you know. The opening sequence was great too, the fight in the helicopter was ridiculous! Despite its faults, pretty minor imo, there’s a real swagger there befitting the character. I think it will improve on repeated viewings.


Quantum gets a hard time but it’s a solid Bond movie and better than most. The criticism was way over the top.
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Re: Spectre

Postby pcqgod » 28 Oct 2015, 16:02

Is Mr. Bigglesworth in it?
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Re: Spectre

Postby driftin » 28 Oct 2015, 19:55

I liked it. It's like all the good Connery films and some elements of Roger Moore's campiest moments all placed into a blender and served on a modern platter. There's a nice pro-Snowden plot to it too.

It's not on a par with Goldfinger, On Her Majesty's Secret Service or Skyfall but it absolutely stomps all over Quantum of Solace.

7/10

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Re: Spectre

Postby Deebank » 30 Oct 2015, 10:13

German Dave wrote:http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2015/10/pantomime-james-bond-reveals-tragedy-modern-white-masculinity

"The problem with Bond is that he is supposed to be the good guy. He is a borderline rapist who is employed by the government to murder people – and yet he is not an anti-hero. He is just a hero. If your child said they wanted to grow up to be just like Hannibal Lecter, you would be worried. Somehow Bond gets a pass and, come Hallowe’en, a legion of little boys will be dressing as 007 with the full support of their doting parents. Bond is a hero for no other reason than that he is on our side, which is how most western nations and particularly the British come to terms with their particular legacy of horror – with a quiet embarrassment that nonetheless knows how to defend itself by force."


"borderline rapist" :?
Not sure how that works. You either are or you aren't surely.
Someone needs to explain that it's fantasy, like Batman - another morally liminal character.

What it does bring to mind though is how Bond changed over the decades reflecting what was going on in the real world.

... Having now read the whole article it seems Laurie Penny does get it after all, so fair play :)
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Re: Spectre

Postby Goat Boy » 30 Oct 2015, 13:33

I just assumed that with her husband dead she was going to be killed just because she knew about spectre and that's how bad ass spectre is
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Re: Spectre

Postby Goat Boy » 30 Oct 2015, 13:39

That kind of shit doesn't bother me. I was more puzzled how a fucking boat appeared at the end when the building was set for demolition.
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Re: Spectre

Postby pcqgod » 30 Oct 2015, 14:25

Doesn't open 'til next Friday here. I'll probably go sometime during the first week. With Skyfall I waited until literally the last week in was in bargain theaters before going because I had hated QoS so much.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Matt Wilson » 30 Oct 2015, 14:52

I can't fucking wait. I own all the Bonds in that box set that came out a few years ago - and though most are shitty, the good ones as so good that I remain a fan.

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Re: Spectre

Postby KeithPratt » 30 Oct 2015, 15:45

I liked it. One of the more forgettable theme tunes, but overall I liked the way that it referenced old classic Bond throughout whilst maintaining the darker, streamlined feel of Craig's other films. Some great locations, not too much silliness, a relatively decent villain and henchman and to be fair, a decent plot line.

I think Craig is a great Bond but I'm happy that he's not interested in doing any more. The whole narrative of him "constantly being under pressure of being out of date or not relevant" anymore is a bit tired now and I'd personally be interested in seeing the next iteration play him perhaps a bit more arrogantly, perhaps even nastily. I guess that wouldn't happen because of the franchise but it'll be interesting to see how it turns out and who plays him (which I guess is probably going to be Damian Lewis).

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Re: Spectre

Postby Deebank » 31 Oct 2015, 12:47

German Dave wrote:
Deebank wrote:
"borderline rapist" :?
Not sure how that works. You either are or you aren't



Really?


You tell me - if you look at the original post it was a question, even if I didn't manage to end it with a ?

You rather doctored the quote there.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Darkness_Fish » 02 Nov 2015, 09:06

Bond's enjoyment of "the sweet tang of rape" (in the God-fucking-awful book Casino Royale) would pretty much push him over the borderline in my view.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Jimbly » 02 Nov 2015, 09:39

Saw it on Friday, just same old Bond film with a huge budget. Looks great, great stunts and a cast of actors made famous in other things.
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Re: Spectre

Postby pcqgod » 02 Nov 2015, 16:44

Darkness_Fish wrote:Bond's enjoyment of "the sweet tang of rape" (in the God-fucking-awful book Casino Royale) would pretty much push him over the borderline in my view.


Craig called Bond a misogynist in a publicity interview for Spectre, when a reporter made some comment about Bond being a romantic character.
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Re: Spectre

Postby Matt Wilson » 02 Nov 2015, 18:59

Misogyny and rape aren't the same thing.

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Re: Spectre

Postby pcqgod » 02 Nov 2015, 19:45

Craig wasn't about to say "Bond is a rapist" during a promotional interview.
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