Posted: 17 Jul 2006, 20:41
album Mingus
song Goodbye Porkpie Hat
no, not really.................
song Goodbye Porkpie Hat
no, not really.................
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andymacandy wrote:Sneelock wrote:
"female Dylan" doesn't even begin to describe her, for me.
I agree-its a very simplistic comparison.
I might even go as far as to say that I think she's a much more rounded artist than Dylan, but never hit his hights.Id have a job justifying that, I admit, but it was just a feeling.
Davey The Fat Boy wrote:andymacandy wrote:Sneelock wrote:
"female Dylan" doesn't even begin to describe her, for me.
I agree-its a very simplistic comparison.
I might even go as far as to say that I think she's a much more rounded artist than Dylan, but never hit his hights.Id have a job justifying that, I admit, but it was just a feeling.
A lot of artists are more "rounded" than Dylan. Any folkie who dabbles in jazz automatically qualifies. Rickie Lee Jones, Tim Hardin, Tom Waits. All more rounded. But Dylan is still the gold standard because of the depth of his canon. I don't think the comparison does her any favors.
toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.
Davey The Fat Boy wrote:toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.
Hmmm...Interesting idea. I'm not sure if I buy it. Certainly Big Momma Thornton sang from a sexually aggressive POV. Even from a singer-songwriter perspective little Janis Ian predated her by releasing the single of Society's Child for the first time in 1965. Talk about sexual frankness - listen to Ian's 1967 debut album.
toomanyhatz wrote:Davey The Fat Boy wrote:toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.
Hmmm...Interesting idea. I'm not sure if I buy it. Certainly Big Momma Thornton sang from a sexually aggressive POV. Even from a singer-songwriter perspective little Janis Ian predated her by releasing the single of Society's Child for the first time in 1965. Talk about sexual frankness - listen to Ian's 1967 debut album.
But I'm not talking about sexual aggressiveness, I'm talking about sexual honesty with depth beyond the listeners prurient interest. Like the line in Coyote: "He picks up my scent on his fingers/While he's watching the waitresses legs." I can think of many songwriters who might have written a line that direct before 1975, and they're all male. Although I liked that Janis Ian record when you played it for me many years ago. I'll have to give it another listen.