BCB 100 - The Velvet Underground

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Postby & » 12 Jul 2006, 00:40

Hey Pep! wrote:ANYWAY...

Yule's performance on 'New Age' vindicates him totally. Lou was right to leave the vocal to the little boy. It's disarmingly sweet.

And Lou's vocals on 'Loaded' prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man could actually sing. So as well as being an absolute cunt of the highest order, he's been short-changing his fans for decades with this half-arsed talky vocal that ruins all the great songs he wrote in his prime.


Correct on both counts.

Doug Yule handles 'innocent' vocals extremely well. 'Candy Says' upwards, his vocals are invariably disarmingly sweet.

And Lou could certainly sing in the normal sense of the word - it's evident right from the first track of their first album.
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Postby Jeff K » 12 Jul 2006, 00:41

One thing I'm sure of with I'm Set Free is Sterling Morrison's guitar solo is one of his best. Sublime!
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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 12 Jul 2006, 00:46

Question: where do they stand today? where would you rank them?

OK, I realise that to some, the question may seem pointless - they're a great band and we should all dig them and why pit them against others?....but it really interests me.

They're great, right? The meaning of the word is debased through overuse. They're great like the Stones or the Beatles. Really very very good.

In 1980 everybody namechecked 'em. These days nobody does. Certainly not up-and-coming bands. Why?

I love the Fall more than any other band, but I'd say the Velvet Underground are the greatest band of all time.

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Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jul 2006, 00:50

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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 12 Jul 2006, 00:51

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Why, you......!!!!

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Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jul 2006, 00:52

Just look at Ted's face, John
I think he's listening to the Fall.

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Postby & » 12 Jul 2006, 01:06

Hey Pep! wrote:Question: where do they stand today? where would you rank them?

OK, I realise that to some, the question may seem pointless - they're a great band and we should all dig them and why pit them against others?....but it really interests me.


Pretty high I would say. They do have an reputation of respectability, though. Even people who haven't heard them tend to have a good impression. They added a tonne of character to pop music and were, perhaps, the first truly urban band.

They're great, right? The meaning of the word is debased through overuse. They're great like the Stones or the Beatles. Really very very good.


They're not nearly of the level of consistency as The Beatles and neither were they as ambitious or as capable as The Who. :twisted:

The Velvets released three flat-out terrific albums with an utter bum record in between, but 'Loaded' (brilliant as it is) is a record by a band which has run its course. They simply lacked the chops to take it any further. There's not a single new musical idea in the whole of that album. It's a summary record.

In 1980 everybody namechecked 'em. These days nobody does. Certainly not up-and-coming bands. Why?


Because namechecking means nothing. If the last generation namechecked Soundgarden, this generation will namecheck ABBA just to not be like the old lot. It's one of those terribly annoying things that bands do.

I love the Fall more than any other band, but I'd say the Velvet Underground are the greatest band of all time.


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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 12 Jul 2006, 01:26

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I love the Fall more than any other band, but I'd say the Velvet Underground are the greatest band of all time.


Oh dear.


So who is, then?

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Postby Jeff K » 12 Jul 2006, 01:29

Hey Pep! wrote:
Dark Clark wrote:
I love the Fall more than any other band, but I'd say the Velvet Underground are the greatest band of all time.


Oh dear.


So who is, then?


If he says the Who, do you want to hit him or shall I?
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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 12 Jul 2006, 01:31

Jeff K wrote:
Hey Pep! wrote:
Dark Clark wrote:
I love the Fall more than any other band, but I'd say the Velvet Underground are the greatest band of all time.


Oh dear.


So who is, then?


If he says the Who, do you want to hit him or shall I?


:D

We'll both lay into him, Jeff. Hard. For 17 minutes and 27 seconds.

Get me? :wink:

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Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jul 2006, 01:34

I'll be in the Who's corner.
I don't think I'll have too much of a problem with John and Jeff.
Unless I'm drunk, then it'll be a fair fight.

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Postby Jeff K » 12 Jul 2006, 01:36

Matt Wilson wrote:I'll be in the Who's corner.
I don't think I'll have too much of a problem with John and Jeff.
Unless I'm drunk, then it'll be a fair fight.


You think that your John Wayne avatar and persistant posting of Ted Nugent album covers is gonna scare me? Ha!
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Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jul 2006, 01:38

Jeff K wrote:You think that your John Wayne avatar and persistant posting of Ted Nugent album covers is gonna scare me? Ha!


I was gonna vote for the Velvets as the best band ever but when I consulted my Rolling Stone bible they did indeed say it was the Who.

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Postby Jeff K » 12 Jul 2006, 01:40

Matt Wilson wrote:
Jeff K wrote:You think that your John Wayne avatar and persistant posting of Ted Nugent album covers is gonna scare me? Ha!


I was gonna vote for the Velvets as the best band ever but when I consulted my Rolling Stone bible they did indeed say it was the Who.


Are you sure? I thought it was the band that played on Mick Jagger's solo albums.
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Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jul 2006, 01:42

Jeff K wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote: Are you sure? I thought it was the band that played on Mick Jagger's solo albums.


No, silly--it was The Band that played on Mick Jagger's solo albums.
They're Rolling Stone approved too. :lol:

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Postby Snarfyguy » 12 Jul 2006, 02:12

In case anyone missed it before: The Velvet Underground meet Larence Welk.
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Postby Quaco » 12 Jul 2006, 02:28

Snarfyguy wrote:In case anyone missed it before: The Velvet Underground meet Larence Welk.

Thank you, Chris. It's a great song. Nice to hear just that bit of it!

In answer to John's question, I'd personally rate VU at about #10, that is, my 10th favorite artist. No idea how they rate with the public or other musicians these days.
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Postby Jeff K » 12 Jul 2006, 02:37

Snarfyguy wrote:In case anyone missed it before: The Velvet Underground meet Larence Welk.


Well, you can't say Doug Yule's in that clip.
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Postby Maxwell's Golden Pickaxe » 12 Jul 2006, 09:42

If it wasn't for The Murder Mystery, the Velvet Underground would be 100% perfect.

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Postby The Slider » 12 Jul 2006, 10:09

By the way, I don't know if it is just me that never noticed it, but playing the first album on my iPod yesterday, fuck me if I didn't notice Nico IS actually in there on Sunday Morning - wordless "ahhhs" deep in the mix in the last minute or so.
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