Penk wrote:I don't know how you want me to put it to be honest.
They're rubbish and I don't know why people like them.
But that's exactly what I was saying before except without an explanation!
Magilla wrote:Also, the hoary old complaint that "they can't play melodies and tunes" is complete nonsense. In reality, Sonic Youth are completely capable of doing so, it's just that they choose not to. Listen to 'Little Trouble Girl' from Washing Machine, for example - it's like '60s girl-group song for god's sake.
Technically, Sonic Youth are completely competent musicians, but they choose to play in an unconventional manner.
I think people have missed my point a little. I wasn't claiming that they couldn't
play melodies, because they often do. It's just that the ones they do
play are poor. Limp, obvious and directionless. Whether or not that's the central focus of their songs is irrelevant, because a lack of ability in that department does invalidate the rest of what they do - it means that they're automatically going to be less convincing. They're making a lot of noise because they can't write songs, basically. And as I've said their more experimental material just doesn't have the ring of conviction about it; it sounds like they're going through the motions, paying more attention to the way they come across than to the direction the music is going in.
Magilla wrote:To make that complaint is to miss the point, it's not what Sonic Youth are about. What they are about is great art, skronky noise, weird tunings, strange arrangements, tumultuous rhythms, blasting guitars, etc and they do it very, very, very well.
Their music is truly innovative, passionate and original, qualities sadly lacking in far too many other current bands, IMHO.
Doesn't necessarily mean it's any good, though. Just because a band were the first to do something doesn't mean they were the best at it. I'd contest that Sonic Youth's other failings negate their worth as innovators, that while they may have come up with the idea it was other bands who made the most effective use of it.
Mike Boom wrote:Its all about the guitars with Sonic Youth - if your not in love with the noise of an electric guitar and the different noises you can make with it your not going to like them. To say they can't be melodic is wrong, you may not hear the melody because your not paying attention or havent given the music the time it takes, but the melody's are there. The riffs are not un-imaginative, they are often extremely complex often using a combination of different tunings and a array of effects pedals. They are an awesome live band and have the ability to recreate the complex layers of sound they make in the studio on stage live. To say they are dull and poseurs is short sighted at best. Some peoples idea of a "proper" song is a little more imaginative than others.
Hence my own use of inverted commas when talking about 'proper' songs. I like plenty of bands who do similar things to Sonic Youth. But that's because they're good
at what they do.
And the riffs are unimaginative. They all sound like ten million other crap indie/shoegaze bands.
G-Z wrote:i'd hazard to say that people who do not appreciate sonic youth really are fucked up in the brain. and the stubborness, zero tolerance stance of their position makes me think you are all Nazi worshippers.
Fuck off and come back when you actually have something to contribute.