Penk wrote:Oscar wrote:I don't think the Smiths were ever a current affairs band, were they? I thought the fairly accurate 'kitchen sink drama' label pointed more towards those English post-war, bleak, northern films. Lots of new groups are doing and saying exactly what the Smiths were doing and saying and the same kids are loving it.
'The same kids' are all 40-year-olds by now though. Yeah there's an influence there, you can't hear bands like the Arctic Monkeys without noticing it, but the Arctic Monkeys are a lot more vivacious and energetic. There's plenty of pose but they actually have fun rather than being so determinedly miserable and I think it's reflected in the music, they're shouty and punky and noisy where the Smiths are dreary and grey. "Morrissey probably is a better lyricist than the Arctics guy, I don't like either but Morrissey at least gives the impression of being fairly bright whereas the Arctics guy just gives the impression of trying to appear bright.
This is just an idea, before the Smiths fans get the torches and pitchforks out again, but was the more upbeat British indie that really galvanised British rock in the late '80s perhaps a reaction to and against the dourness of the Smiths?
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"have fun rather than being so determinedly miserable"
"the Smiths are dreary and grey"
I sometimes think there were 2 bands called the Smiths in the 80s, the band that we listened to and the band that people like Penk didn't listen to but thought they knew all about by taking a couple of lyrics out of context.
I always thought the Smiths were, generally, cheerful, bright pop music of the highest quality with brilliant thought provoking lyrics that could be mordant or sad but always with a wicked knowing grin, but also often be happy, angry, violent ................etc.