BCB 100 - The Smiths

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Postby 010101010101 » 19 Jun 2006, 22:00

I think they're fuckin' shit; miserabilism for bedwetters who should get out more.

And I'm right in that opinion. Lock thread.

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Postby Oscar » 19 Jun 2006, 22:02

Owen wrote:
Rorschach wrote:
Owen wrote:How the fuck is that 'my case' you knob. I didn't say ever it, just took a stab at suggesting what whoever did might have been on about.


Actually Owen, you did eventually say "it does seem hypocritical".

I never understand these Smiths arguments. I think they're great but I can understand why some people might not like them; especially Morrissey.


Actually that's pretty much my opinion too. A lot of this has been because they are interesting to talk about, a bit because i was bored and a bit because i do genuinely find some of the fan response mystifying.

Most of it was tongue in cheek, it's something we've talked about enough times that i already know the actual opinions of the people in the thread i respect.

I do think the whole celibacy thing was a cop out, but i can understand why he did it


Dropping like flies. Two more to go.

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Postby The Modernist » 19 Jun 2006, 22:02

Well I agree he'd have been better off copping off than copping out. :)

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Postby The Prof » 19 Jun 2006, 22:10

Well maybe when he said he was celibate, he was celibate. Maybe he launched him bumming career when he found someone he wanted to bum.

But for fucks sake - does it matter?

The world of The Smiths is full of literary references, black & white films, comedy, kitchen sink dramas, unrequited love and Oscar Wilde.
You can buy into it as much or as little as you want. If you chose not to then it's your loss.

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Postby Mike Boom » 19 Jun 2006, 22:12

Since when does the fact that, not everything you write in the lyric to a rock n roll song is strictly autobiographical and true to the very last detail, make you a hypocrite???? Can you not write from the point of view of a character? Can you not write from a different perspective than your own?

Not everything in the song has to be true for the meaning and sentiment of the song to be heartfelt and honest.

You must really hate Ziggy Stardust then, unless you believe Bowie was really an Alien. Its a bizarre and stupid idea - it leads to people believing that Randy Newman really hates short people.

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Postby PENK » 19 Jun 2006, 22:13

Mike Boom wrote:Randy Newman really hates short people.


What a bastard! Let's get him! :x :x :x
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Postby nathan » 19 Jun 2006, 22:15

So Morrissey was a homosexual that didn't engage in sexual activity? That must have been very hard on his emotional well-being. The poor misunderstood soul.

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Postby Mr Maps » 19 Jun 2006, 22:17

Penk wrote:
Mike Boom wrote:Randy Newman really hates short people.


What a bastard! Let's get him! :x :x :x


He didn't really. It was an allegory for how much he hated black people.

nathan wrote:So Morrissey was a homosexual that didn't engage in sexual activity? That must have been very hard on his emotional well-being. The poor misunderstood soul.


I'll say
nathan wrote:I realize there is a time and a place for unsexy music, but I personally have no time for it.


Django wrote: It's video clips of earnest post-rock I want, and I have little time for anything else.

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Postby PENK » 19 Jun 2006, 22:18

Mr. Maps wrote:
Penk wrote:
Mike Boom wrote:Randy Newman really hates short people.


What a bastard! Let's get him! :x :x :x


He didn't really. It was an allegory for how much he hated black people.


Fucking hypocrite :x :x :x
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Postby Matt Wilson » 19 Jun 2006, 22:18

nathan wrote:So Morrissey was a homosexual that didn't engage in sexual activity? That must have been very hard on his emotional well-being. The poor misunderstood soul.


It's OK.
He got his emotions on paper by writing in the persona of a girl, apparantly.
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Postby nathan » 19 Jun 2006, 22:21

Mr. Maps wrote:
nathan wrote:So Morrissey was a homosexual that didn't engage in sexual activity? That must have been very hard on his emotional well-being. The poor misunderstood soul.


I'll say

Well I always assumed I Started Something I Couldn't Finish was about his masturbation exploits so clearly he was releasing during this period. (And of course he finished... the grunts gave that away)

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Postby Mike Boom » 19 Jun 2006, 22:25

He got his emotions on paper by writing in the persona of a girl, apparantly.

Sometimes , yes ...

Girl afraid
Where do his intentions lay ?

Or does he even have any ?

She says
He never really looks at me
I give him every opportunity
In the room downstairs
He sat and stared
In the room downstairs
He sat and stared
Ill never make that mistake again !

Ill never make that mistake again
Ill never make that mistake again

Boy afraid
Prudence never pays

And everything she wants costs money


But she doesnt even like me !
And I know because she said so
In the room downstairs
She sat and stared
In the room downstairs
She sat and stared
Ill never make that mistake again !

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Postby Oscar » 19 Jun 2006, 22:25

Matt Wilson wrote:
nathan wrote:So Morrissey was a homosexual that didn't engage in sexual activity? That must have been very hard on his emotional well-being. The poor misunderstood soul.


It's OK.
He got his emotions on paper by writing in the persona of a girl, apparantly.


And a boy.

"Girlfriend in a coma"

"Oh, let me get my hands
On your mammary gland"

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Postby Butch Manly » 19 Jun 2006, 22:30

Oscar wrote: He is definitely a person who would get a kick out of causing confusion.


in fact, that has been a major feature of his persona and art since day one.

remember the last few lines of "speedway"?

and all those lies,
written lies,
twisted lies.
well....
they weren't lies,
they weren't lies,
they weren't lies.
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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 19 Jun 2006, 22:38

Mike Boom wrote:
He got his emotions on paper by writing in the persona of a girl, apparantly.

Sometimes , yes ...

Girl afraid
Where do his intentions lay ?

Or does he even have any ?

She says
He never really looks at me
I give him every opportunity
In the room downstairs
He sat and stared
In the room downstairs
He sat and stared
Ill never make that mistake again !

Ill never make that mistake again
Ill never make that mistake again

Boy afraid
Prudence never pays

And everything she wants costs money


But she doesnt even like me !
And I know because she said so
In the room downstairs
She sat and stared
In the room downstairs
She sat and stared
Ill never make that mistake again !


Their best song.

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Postby Mr Maps » 19 Jun 2006, 22:47

the name is Coan wrote:
Mike Boom wrote:Girl afraid


Their best song.


I'll say, These Things Take Time
nathan wrote:I realize there is a time and a place for unsexy music, but I personally have no time for it.


Django wrote: It's video clips of earnest post-rock I want, and I have little time for anything else.

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Re: BCB 100 - The Smiths

Postby Count Machuki » 20 May 2010, 21:29

Let U be the set of all united sets, K be the set of the kids and D be the set of things divided.
Then it follows that ∀ k ∈ K: K ∈ U ⇒ k ∉ D

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Postby Slugger » 18 Dec 2012, 14:55

Dances With Difficulty wrote:
geoffcowgill wrote:Sounds like maybe I should go ahead and get their first album, huh?


That would be a wise purchase...

No need. Just get hatful and that's the first year covered.
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Re: BCB 100 - The Smiths

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 07 Feb 2018, 13:23

RcL wrote:
geoffcowgill wrote: I was quite disappointed that THE GREATEST ALBUM OF THE 1980s was not, frankly, all that great.


It's not, and I'm a fan. The problem is that The Smiths didn't do things conventionally - all the studio albums are patchy. I think Strangeways is just one big patch, but others like it, I know. TQID and MIM are just so hit and miss - stuff like Cemetry Gates and Nowhere Fast are pleasant enough, but nowhere near what they could do, which was all too often found on B sides - hence many people rating LTB and HOH as their essential records. The first album doesn't have a less than brilliant song (though Miserable Lie can catch the wrong mood at times), but is famously produced in an ill-fitting manner.

Album: The Smiths (but I prefer the two comps)

Song: Wonderful Woman


Spot on.

I miss Roddy.
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Re: BCB 100 - The Smiths

Postby echolalia » 07 Feb 2018, 23:43

OCT wrote:Spot on.

I miss Roddy.

Roddy’s doing OK. I’ll be seeing him in the next few weeks hopefully. He was shortlisted for the T. S. Eliot Prize but didn’t win it. His collection, So Glad I’m Me, is full of references to pop music and every BCBer should have it. I remember seeing an early pamphlet where one of his poems was pubished alongside an Ian Curtis lyric – he was really happy about that and there’s no other poet in the anglosphere that has his knowledge or appreciation of music. Maybe there’s a Dylan-Nobel backlash going on. He told me Buying Shoes for Alex Chilton was inspired by me! Not that I can see it.

And that first Smiths album - still fantastic - I never tire of it.