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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby The Modernist » 17 Mar 2018, 12:41

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The Modernist wrote:Mourinho's behaviour is pretty embarrassing, but it's nothing new.


Underneath the squirminess of it all, though, a message for a large coterie of the fanbase that they really need to hear. The glory days have gone: stop feeling so fucking entitled


Why would the glory days have gone? They're one of the richest clubs in the world with probably the largest global fanbase of any club. There are a small handful of clubs who can expect pretty much continual success ( with the odd empty season accepted) and they are in that elite, whether we like it or not.
If his message is we should expect Sevilla to be at a higher level than Man utd then I don't think the Utd supporters will buy it and nor should they.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Rayge » 17 Mar 2018, 13:37

The Modernist wrote:
Rayge wrote:
The Modernist wrote:Mourinho's behaviour is pretty embarrassing, but it's nothing new.


Underneath the squirminess of it all, though, a message for a large coterie of the fanbase that they really need to hear. The glory days have gone: stop feeling so fucking entitled


Why would the glory days have gone? They're one of the richest clubs in the world with probably the largest global fanbase of any club. There are a small handful of clubs who can expect pretty much continual success ( with the odd empty season accepted) and they are in that elite, whether we like it or not.
If his message is we should expect Sevilla to be at a higher level than Man utd then I don't think the Utd supporters will buy it and nor should they.

No, the message is that the days when the fans could assume they could walk into the final stages of any tournament are over. Sevilla are not an elite level club, it's true, but nor are United at the moment: both of them are swirling around in that second tier of clubs who get into the knockout rounds of the CL in Europe, and in the UK cannot assume they will make the CL (though obviously they will this year given the dips in form of Chelsea and Arsenal. Player for player, maybe Man U are 'better' than Sevilla, but losing to them over two legs is about as seismic a shock to the natural order as, say, losing to Everton in the FA Cup.
I think that your assertion that they are still in that elite group, 'whether we like it or not', because they are wealthy and have a huge fan base, may be true of them as a club and a financial institution (albeit one in vast debt), but the current team just isn't good enough. And apologies for pulling the old man card again, but 60 years of following football has led me to believe that churn and change are endemic, and rise and fall is part of the game. I'm not expecting United to get relegated any time soon (although I remember well the day that they were), but it will be a while before they challenge for the title again, even if I haven't put the curse on them that I did on Liverpool in 1991.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Toby » 17 Mar 2018, 19:24

Hmm I'm not sure about that. City's potential future hegemony of the Premier League is probably, I suspect, down to how long Guardiola stays there and whether or not they can evolve into a dynastic set up similar to Barcelona where the trophies come regardless of the manager.

If that doesn't happen, then United will always be in the mix. They've not really played that well this season, their first XI is a bit all over the shop and yet they have 2nd place all but wrapped up.

Sure, they didn't make it to the quarter-finals of the CL, but their financial power and attraction for players will never really wane unless they endure the sort of consistent dip in fortunes like Liverpool did. I simply can't see that happening - plus remember they won two trophies last season.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 17 Mar 2018, 19:26

Man Utd have a super squad. If the managers swapped jobs I honestly believe Man Utd would beat Man City.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby borofan » 19 Mar 2018, 16:57

Lord Rother wrote:Man Utd have a super squad. If the managers swapped jobs I honestly believe Man Utd would beat Man City.

Really? I'd take the likes of De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Kompany over anything United have. I'd probably swap De Gea, but that's about all.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 19 Mar 2018, 17:06

It’s all about the managers.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Geezee » 19 Mar 2018, 19:31

borofan wrote:
Lord Rother wrote:Man Utd have a super squad. If the managers swapped jobs I honestly believe Man Utd would beat Man City.

Really? I'd take the likes of De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Kompany over anything United have. I'd probably swap De Gea, but that's about all.


They are looking great this season (although Kompany isn't really a fixture) but most of those players have been fairly inconsistent over the last 2-3 years though. Player for player I'd still say it's pretty close between the two teams and generally I'd agree that on paper Man Utd would look like a team that could win the league. In fact it's not even really a question - Man City have been in scintillating form and look set to break all sorts of records, and in most normal seasons Utd would be still in contention at this stage. Man Utd fans didn't have too mcuh to cheer about for 26 years - the ones I know generally don't feel entitled to anything so not sure what that means anyway.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Dr Markus » 20 Mar 2018, 12:19

I don't think the fans are complaining about the glory days being gone. That rant Jose gave shows he doesn't quite get it. Yeah they're pissed they're out of the European cup, but it's the manner of the way the got knocked out, and the manner in which they play in general. Goals and wins might be up from last year etc etc, still doesn't mean you're exciting to watch. That's what Jose doesn't quite get, yet.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Pansy Puff » 20 Mar 2018, 16:03

Geezee wrote:
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Lord Rother wrote:Man Utd have a super squad. If the managers swapped jobs I honestly believe Man Utd would beat Man City.

Really? I'd take the likes of De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Kompany over anything United have. I'd probably swap De Gea, but that's about all.


They are looking great this season (although Kompany isn't really a fixture) but most of those players have been fairly inconsistent over the last 2-3 years though. Player for player I'd still say it's pretty close between the two teams and generally I'd agree that on paper Man Utd would look like a team that could win the league. In fact it's not even really a question - Man City have been in scintillating form and look set to break all sorts of records, and in most normal seasons Utd would be still in contention at this stage. Man Utd fans didn't have too mcuh to cheer about for 26 years - the ones I know generally don't feel entitled to anything so not sure what that means anyway.

As a City fan I agree with this. Everything's clicking right now, but I look at united and see a strong squad and I don't assume the derby is sewn up in any way. A player like Rashford can cause untold damage to City's defence.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Mar 2018, 21:06

As much as I hate man utd, I can't make up my mind if Lingard is a good player or not in general, not just on recent form.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 24 Mar 2018, 09:40

He seems to make things happen alright, rarely goes backwards. He’s growing on me.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 16 Apr 2018, 07:07

Man Utd fans are delighted that Mourinho signed a 4 year contract recently.

Lots to look forward to.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Toby » 21 Apr 2018, 20:12

United did well today. Fell behind but got a goal, snuffed out Kane and got another. Sanchez had his best game for them.

As long as United continue to win things, Mourinho will be there I'm sure.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Darkness_Fish » 21 Apr 2018, 20:54

They didn't look like they stood a chance after the first twenty minutes, didn't look in trouble for the next seventy. That's the Harry Kane we're going to see in the world cup, isn't it? No pace, no trickery, never looked like scoring.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Toby » 21 Apr 2018, 20:59

Yeah I'm tempted to think that too.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 05 May 2018, 09:08

More player bashing from Mourinho last night.

After playing Rashford and Martial last night he says “for 10 months I get asked 'why always Lukaku? Why always Lukaku? Why always this player?' That guy doesn't have a chance to start, the other one is on the bench'.

You know why now. Some individuals are not as good as we think they are."

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby PENK » 19 May 2018, 19:06

Paul Pogba.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 19 May 2018, 20:25

Rashford looked like he’s playing depressed.

Easy to forget how superb he looked when he came in under LVG, Mourinho has damn near killed his natural talent and has certainly killed his exuberance.

He simply has to get away from Mourinho.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 May 2018, 07:15

If you're 1-0 down in a Cup final with 85 minutes gone, and you've still got both Matic and Herrera on the pitch (and Mata on the bench) you deserve what you get,

Chelsea were poor. Man Utd were pathetic.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby WG Kaspar » 20 May 2018, 09:06

I thought Man Utd were thoroughly entertaining and for about 30 minutes in the second half, they were stretching Chelsea, whey were moving the ball fast they were creating openings, they forced a few saves, it just didn't go their way. There was no need to make any changes up until the 75th minute which was when Chelsea finally got hold of the ball for more than 2 minutes and took the sting out of Man Utd's attack. They reverted back to pointless possession after that.
I thought taking out Rashford for Martial was probably a bad move, given that Rashford was looking better as time went on and Martial really offered nothing. And Pogba was really good in the second half, makes you wonder what the fuck goes on and he goes missing repeatedly for large chunks of any game.
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