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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 20 May 2018, 09:37

Look at Rashford, look at Martial, look at Pogba, look at Luke Shaw..... all great young talent who have become shadows of their former selves. He’s even doing the same thing to Sanchez.

Man Utd have won a lot of games this season, 2nd in the league, FA Cup finalists, but Mourinho has created a boring team, stifling naturally gifted players who now look scared to make mistakes because when they do they know they might get hung out to dry in public.

If flair players are scared to make mistakes they become ineffective.

He is becoming a footballing dinosaur.

And having listened to a few hours of phone ins, read newspapers etc. I honestly haven’t heard / seen a single observer (journalists, ex- players, supporters) in favour of Mourinho.

Even the board must now know that they need to get rid. He is harming the brand and taking the club backwards.

They cannot allow it to continue so will cut their losses soon. Poch to take over....

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Darkness_Fish » 21 May 2018, 09:33

WG Kaspar wrote:I thought taking out Rashford for Martial was probably a bad move, given that Rashford was looking better as time went on and Martial really offered nothing. And Pogba was really good in the second half, makes you wonder what the fuck goes on and he goes missing repeatedly for large chunks of any game.

I thought Rashford was really poor throughout, the backwards steps he's taken under Mourinho is worrying. He'd be behind Lindgard in current form for England reckoning, which you'd never have thought given the impact he had in his early appearances. Only Ashley Young ever looked threatening from the wings - which may show that Mourinho knows how to make an old dog learn new tricks, rather than improve the talent of young but inexperienced. Pogba - I generally blame Mourinho again. He seems to want him to play deep, and form part of a defensive midfield trio. Pogba can take the game by the scruff of the neck, but I reckon when he does burst forward, he's generally disobeying team orders. But when he does have that freedom, he's a game changer, and looks genuinely like Utd's most dangerous player running in from midfield, looking for a one-two or a shot from the edge of the box.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 21 May 2018, 09:50

To be fair, Pogba is now playing in exactly the position (left hand side of a midfield three) he himself said was his best. He had an okay second half (not sure why he's getting this acclaim he seems to have attracted, however) but, nonetheless, he looks to be a huge waste of money. And he missed the best clear cut chance of the whole game, without even hitting the target.

Young looked good until he actually had to deliver the ball - then I think his desire to turn back onto his right foot became apparent. He did better than most Man U players but that really is damning with faint praise.

Rashford looks completely devoid of confidence to me - he hasn't became a bad player by the age of 20 but if your boss continually and publicly criticises you, that's always likely to happen. He needs to get away from that atmosphere immediately.

I'm not sure exactly what Lingard's role is still but he was woeful on Saturday. Contributed absolutely sweet fuck all.

The worst player on the pitch offensively though was Sanchez - an utterly incompetent and frustrating performance. He was almost anonymous and when he did show up, he was either giving the ball away, getting in the way or moaning at his team mates. I've never been his biggest fan and Saturday was typical of why.

Lastly, God fucking help us if Phil Jones actually has to play anytime during the World Cup. He is a penalty and/or sending off waiting to happen every single time he's on the pitch.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Toby » 21 May 2018, 10:16

He's got a season hasn't he?

If things don't improve markedly then I think they'll jettison him and get Simeone.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 21 May 2018, 10:25

And just about the Cup Final - did I hear that Rudiger got Man Of The Match?

I mean, which visually challenged fuckwit decided he had played better than César Azpilicueta?
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 21 May 2018, 10:25

Toby wrote:He's got a season hasn't he?

If things don't improve markedly then I think they'll jettison him and get Simeone.


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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Darkness_Fish » 21 May 2018, 13:49

Diamond Dog wrote:Lastly, God fucking help us if Phil Jones actually has to play anytime during the World Cup. He is a penalty and/or sending off waiting to happen every single time he's on the pitch.

Remember when he was young, and people were comparing him to Bobby Moore and Duncan Edwards? Could that have gone any worse. He runs as fast as he can into everything, 100% committed, 100% clueless. I'd be much more in favour of Smalling being in the England team, even if he's only teetering on the edge of competency.

*Edit: To be fair Rudiger was pretty good in the final, as was Kante yet again. I think you could've made a case for either of those alongside Azpilicueta.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 21 May 2018, 15:11

I think they all played well at the back for Chelsea but I thought Azpilicueta was by some distance the best player on the pitch. He is a personal favourite of mine though so I suppose I could have been biased.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Jul 2018, 08:59

Jose's World Cup comment :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44879658

"hopes player 'understands why he was good'" re Pogba.

Is the answer because he wasn't playing for you, Jose?
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby jimboo » 19 Jul 2018, 11:28

Diamond Dog wrote:Jose's World Cup comment :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44879658

"hopes player 'understands why he was good'" re Pogba.

Is the answer because he wasn't playing for you, Jose?


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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Jul 2018, 11:32

Did you post on the wrong thread?
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Postby jimboo » 19 Jul 2018, 11:54

Nope , i posted the wrong word , which is silly , but then again, i was trying to urinate while answering the question.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Jul 2018, 07:57

And so it begins...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44995530

Transfer list handed in months ago...players not being signed (remember that one?)

Referee was crap (again)

Players are unfit (again)

Players aren't available for selection (again)

He's defending the petulant Sanchez (again).....

It's going to be a long, miserable season at Old Trafford.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Lord Rother » 29 Jul 2018, 10:08

They could finish 6th this season.

Whoever the next manager is going to be (we will find out within 12 months for sure) will have a wonderful opportunity. A few simple changes like (the well used phrase) “taking the shackles off” and he could change the demeanour and style of the club within a heartbeat.

I might apply.

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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby borofan » 29 Jul 2018, 20:19

Mourinho's third season. On previous experience, that's when it usually goes properly tits up and he scarpers.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Aug 2018, 06:04

And Pogba turns up the heat, very subtly..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45160562

"If you're not happy you cannot give your best" and that he
" would be fined if he spoke his true feelings."

I think there's a little power play going on here. Pogba obviously feels safe that he can say the above with impunity, probably thinking that he is more important (and more likely be around at the start of next season) than Mourinho is.

I'm sure there will be a response from Jose - there always is in these situations. So let's wait for the right question at a press conference this week....:)
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Postby Geezee » 13 Aug 2018, 09:38

God, the whole thing is so tiring.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Aug 2018, 20:21

Man U were shite against Brighton - not one single player can sit at home tonight and "I've earnt my money" today. Not one.

But Eric Bailly - take a fucking bow. In all my seasons of watching defenders, that simply has to be the most inept performance by an international centre half in the English top flight. Fucking hell - talk about three left feet (none of which were any good) defending that a five year old would have disowned and tackling with the finesse of a new born giraffe. Stunning performance.

And Jose - you fucking signed him. And that equally useless cunt Lindelhof too.
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Postby PENK » 19 Aug 2018, 21:26

Diamond Dog wrote:And Jose - you fucking signed him. And that equally useless cunt Lindelhof too.


I haven't seen Bailly play outside the Premier League, but Lindelöf has been excellent when I've seen him for Sweden, which suggests that when he's playing in a well-organised team with spirit, belief and tactical nous, he can thrive. Those things are quite evidently lacking at Manchester United right now.
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Re: The Manchester United Thread

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Aug 2018, 21:28

PENK wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:And Jose - you fucking signed him. And that equally useless cunt Lindelhof too.


I haven't seen Bailly play outside the Premier League, but Lindelöf has been excellent when I've seen him for Sweden, which suggests that when he's playing in a well-organised team with spirit, belief and tactical nous, he can thrive. Those things are quite evidently lacking at Manchester United right now.


That really was the intent of the post, Ed.

They haven;t become bad players - they're unable to perform with Mourinho as their boss. It's so obvious there is a power play going on there right now - with Pogba clearly leading the charge for change. His post match interview was really telling - when asked what Mourinho had said at half time he started to answer and then smiled coyly and said "I don't like answering - you'll need to ask him". Almost like he just remembered in time the 'agreed process' and stop himself ... and let Mourinho hang himself.
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