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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Rayge » 01 Dec 2017, 16:49

Diamond Dog wrote:A Group Of Death is where a really fancied team (to progress far into the tournament) gets is certain to be knocked out at the group stage, surely?

I'd say so.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 01 Dec 2017, 17:25

The Cambridge Dictionary (I realise this isn't Chambers etc) definition

"in the first stage of a football cup competition, a group containing several of the best teams in the competition, not all of whom can move onto the next stage:"


So, in reality there are no groups of death in this tournament.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Dec 2017, 18:18

That's how I saw it - I think Spain & Portugal being in the same group makes it the highest quality.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby The Modernist » 01 Dec 2017, 19:20

Toby wrote:A group of death would be where at least 3 sides feel they have a good chance of qualifying and doing well in the tournament.

I don't think Mexico, Sweden or South Korea are strong teams. Colombia, Senegal and Poland are all better than them.

Perhaps in Russia they could call it "the group of meth".


Well Poland are one of the seeds, so you haven't done a fair comparison, you should also have mentioned Germany. And Senegal? In Russia? I doubt very much they'll do anything.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby The Modernist » 01 Dec 2017, 19:22

Actually the strongest could be D if Nigeria show up....which they probably won't.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby northernsky » 02 Dec 2017, 08:36

Group A is the group of death. If you're a dissident or a bit gay. AM I RIGHT?
Sweden will get humped by Germany like usual, get narrowly beaten by Mexico and huff and puff enough to earn a point against a technically superior South Korea.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 04 Dec 2017, 09:06

After beating France, Italy and Netherlands, I'm stupidly confident that Sweden will defeat Germany (lose to Korea, draw against Mexico). Germany to be knocked out in the group stages, mark my words.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 15 Mar 2018, 13:13

3 months to kick off and who do people think should go to the WC?

On his current form there is no way Joe Hart can go to the WC. His international career is surely over.

I've picked ones so far that should be there. One goalkeeper space, 2 or 3 defenders, quite a few midfielders and wide spots, but I reckon the forward line picks itself. Question marks over players like Henderson, Cahill etc.

Butland, Pickford, ?

Stones, Smalling, Maguire, Walker, Bertrand, Young, ?, ?

Dier, Alli, Wilshire, Lallana, ? , ? , ? , ?

Sterling, Rashford, Kane, Vardy

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Dr Markus » 15 Mar 2018, 13:18

Yeah a lot of pros seem to think Hart is the best keeper around for England, do they see something pretty much everyone doesn't? I've never rated him from day one. His acting skills in those shampoo adverts were better than his goalkeeping skills.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Dr Markus » 15 Mar 2018, 16:08

Does anyone know of anyone heading over for it? Those Russian "ultras" aren't on the Russian tourist board for a reason.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby John aka Josh » 15 Mar 2018, 20:16

Toby wrote:3 months to kick off and who do people think should go to the WC?

On his current form there is no way Joe Hart can go to the WC. His international career is surely over.

I've picked ones so far that should be there. One goalkeeper space, 2 or 3 defenders, quite a few midfielders and wide spots, but I reckon the forward line picks itself. Question marks over players like Henderson, Cahill etc.

Butland, Pickford, ?

Stones, Smalling, Maguire, Walker, Bertrand, Young, ?, ?

Dier, Alli, Wilshire, Lallana, ? , ? , ? , ?

Sterling, Rashford, Kane, Vardy



Unless Lallana can regain a lot more of his pre injury form I wouldn't take him.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby PENK » 15 Mar 2018, 20:28

It's difficult to know what to make of the latest squad. Welbeck, Livermore, Henderson and Hart shouldn't be anywhere near the plane on current form (and Rose and Lallana have barely played this year, though if fit and playing again they're certainly good enough) while the likes of Tarkowski, Mawson and Cook are interesting additions. One gets the feeling unfortunately that the former group are much more likely to make it to the tournament.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Mar 2018, 09:08

I've no idea why Hart is in the squad. He's clearly shit and has been for a couple of seasons, at least.
I've been very impressed by Pope and he may just emerge, from the inexperienced trio including Pickford & Butland , as the chosen keeper.

it's extremely worrying that our centre back alternatives are so worryingly inexperienced. But I'd much rather that than Jones, Cahill, Smalling etc, who have been useless all season.
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Postby Toby » 16 Mar 2018, 11:24

This is what worries me. Southgate is going down the "but they're experienced" route. Yes, they are, but played terribly at a number of tournaments, Hart in particular. Cahill is past it and Smalling just isn't good enough. In fact, I'd rather have the Burnley CB pairing at the moment. They know how to defend.

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Postby Rayge » 16 Mar 2018, 13:09

Toby wrote: Cahill is past it and Smalling just isn't good enough. In fact, I'd rather have the Burnley CB pairing at the moment. They know how to defend.


I agree with every word, especially about Tarkowski and Mee, although Alfie Mawson deserves a shot, too.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Rayge » 16 Mar 2018, 13:10

Diamond Dog wrote:I've no idea why Hart is in the squad. He's clearly shit and has been for a couple of seasons, at least.
I've been very impressed by Pope and he may just emerge, from the inexperienced trio including Pickford & Butland , as the chosen keeper.

I think Heaton, provided he recovers and gets a couple of games in, would be in with a good shout. Maybe Hart is in there as a placeholder, or possibly scapegoat.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Pansy Puff » 23 Mar 2018, 21:32

England have played fairly well against a very poor Dutch side. Good performances by Pickford, Stones, Walker and Henderson. I think Oxlade-Chamberlain has been the weakest link, at least until Dele Ali came on.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Diamond Dog » 23 Mar 2018, 22:07

Ali's form has been abysmal for months now. Not average, not poor - absolutely fucking atrocious.

I like that Southgate is sticking with the youngsters, and putting in youth in place of experience when injuries demand it.

I genuinely think many of those guys who only a year ago thought they were certainties are going to find themselves uninvited. Long may it continue.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Pansy Puff » 23 Mar 2018, 22:23

Diamond Dog wrote:Ali's form has been abysmal for months now. Not average, not poor - absolutely fucking atrocious.

I'm glad you said that. I was beginning to think I was the only person who thought this and just assumed I was missing something.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 24 Mar 2018, 08:46

Vardy didn't touch the ball once in the 22 minutes he was on the pitch.

I thought England looked comfortable on the ball if nothing else. Difficult to say whether any real progress is being made, but as a side they do not look overly reliable on one player other than Kane upfront. Defensively I felt they were quite assured, even if this Dutch team are clearly awful (even with Van Dijk and De Vrij in defence).