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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 10:49

Diamond Dog wrote:
Geezee wrote:The FA cup is not a national tournament.

Copa America has it. Olympics have it. Rugby World cup has it. Ice hockey world cup has it.


Right. So because a bronze medal is awarded (a totally arbitrary token) and it's a national tournament, that makes it worthwhile?

Okay - let's have a straw poll of how many here thought it was worth it. And then see how many of those would have been happy if players for their favourite club sides had suffered a season ending injury.

And then I'd like to know how many club managers like it. and how many players actually out there like it.


I thought your point was that because no other tournament does it, therefore that is evidence it has no value? Are you now changing that? Seems to me more international team tournaments have it than do not. Is it still "just" a money-making scheme on the part of all these sports organisations?

Why is bronze an arbitrary token? Should we remove it from the Olympics as well?

Personally, obviously all my answers would be that there is huge value to the game - and again I'm glad to say that most countries have taken the game very seriously.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Jul 2018, 10:49

We must agree to disagree.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 10:52

Diamond Dog wrote:It's also astonishing to me how many fucking idiots people have bought into the Olympics football tournament too. Jeez....


(personally I wasn't just talking about football - every team sport at hte Olympics have it (as far as I'm aware) - volleyball, ice hockey etc. either way - your original point that it's not used in other tournaments is entirely invalid)
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 10:54

Diamond Dog wrote:We must agree to disagree.


Yep - as I said in my original point I think that's the best. :|
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 11:07

Toby wrote:The Qatar World Cup is from Nov 21 to 18 Dec 2022 btw.


I still can't quite get my head around this.
And then it's 48 teams after that.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Jul 2018, 11:08

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Toby wrote:The Qatar World Cup is from Nov 21 to 18 Dec 2022 btw.


I still can't quite get my head around this.



It's a nonsense.

Let's see how keen they are to play the 3rd/4th place playoff then! ;)
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Goat Boy » 16 Jul 2018, 11:20

I really felt for Croatia. They showed real intent right from the off, maybe sensing they needed to win it in 90 minutes, and showed huge character the entire game, even when they went 4 – 1 down which would have killed most teams. They deserve huge credit.

I didn’t think it was a penalty either. If that wasn’t given then who knows what might have happened. In the end the score line flattered France but that’s how it goes sometimes. France have some real talent in that squad and, crucially, they also had the best defense which could really stand them in great stead for the next 2/3 tournaments. That performance against Belgium really seemed to give them a huge lift.

It’s been a cracking tournament overall, maybe the best I can remember although I would still maybe put ‘98 above it just because of the quality of the strongest teams. It’s arguably been the most open and entertaining however. I found it hugely refreshing after some of the more recent dirges, particularly 2006 and 2010. 2014 had a strong group stage but lacked the great games in the knockout stage to really elevate it. I did find the performances of Spain, Argentina and Germany hugely disappointing. As much I want surprises and underdogs doing well there is something about the glamour and history of those nations which makes me want them in the knockout stages. It didn’t feel right not having the Italians or the Dutch either. Argentina have issues and really need to find some creative midfielders. Spain and Germany will be fine I think and have some very good young players. The next Euros could be a real cracker.

I agree with G about Senegal. They were very unlucky to go out (yellow cards!) and I certainly think they would have given England more of a game than Colombia.

Team of the tournament:

Pickford (England)

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Kante (Fra)

Pogba (Fra) Modric (Cro)

Hazard (Bel) Mbappe (Fra) Perisic (Cro)


Subs: Courtois, Godin, Inui, Cheryshev, De Bruyne.

Player of the tournament: Modric. Totemic.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 16 Jul 2018, 11:38

I've never watched a 3rd place playoff match.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby caramba » 16 Jul 2018, 12:42

Diamond Dog wrote:
Geezee wrote:
Toby wrote:The Qatar World Cup is from Nov 21 to 18 Dec 2022 btw.


I still can't quite get my head around this.



It's a nonsense.



Does anyone who isn't a senior official with FIFA or the Qatari FA think that this madness will actually go ahead?

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 14:05

caramba wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:

It's a nonsense.



Does anyone who isn't a senior official with FIFA or the Qatari FA think that this madness will actually go ahead?



Why wouldn't it?
As crazy as it is - I don't see any meaningful movement against it.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 16 Jul 2018, 15:41

The final was the first game my boy watched "properly". I thought "you lucky shit, I've had to endure some properly rotten games and the first one you watch is a Stormer"...

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 16 Jul 2018, 15:55

Toby wrote:The final was the first game my boy watched "properly". I thought "you lucky shit, I've had to endure some properly rotten games and the first one you watch is a Stormer"...



Don’t worry, I’m assuming your kid will have plenty of West Ham games ahead which will more than make up for it.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 16 Jul 2018, 16:39

No, he's veering towards Liverpool as Salah is Egyptian (he loves Ancient Egypt).

The only thing I've inculcated is not to support Chelsea. Anyone else is fine.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby The Modernist » 16 Jul 2018, 16:51

West Ham have made some exciting buys this summer, so you never know. No Egyptians though.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby sloopjohnc » 16 Jul 2018, 18:09

No more soccer for another four years, thank god.

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Postby Toby » 16 Jul 2018, 19:08

sloopjohnc wrote:No more soccer for another four years, thank god.

;)


Aug 11 is the Premier League new season so dream on...

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby sloopjohnc » 16 Jul 2018, 21:12

Toby wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:No more soccer for another four years, thank god.

;)


Aug 11 is the Premier League new season so dream on...


It's on Fox Sports in the US. Which I don't watch, like their political stations.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby LeBaron » 16 Jul 2018, 22:37

sloopjohnc wrote:
Toby wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:No more soccer for another four years, thank god.

;)


Aug 11 is the Premier League new season so dream on...


It's on Fox Sports in the US. Which I don't watch, like their political stations.


Has NBCSN lost the contract?
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby The Modernist » 16 Jul 2018, 22:38

It's a generational thing in the US I think. Football seems to be getting very popular among the under 40s.

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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby PENK » 17 Jul 2018, 01:43

The Modernist wrote:It's a generational thing in the US I think. Football seems to be getting very popular among the under 40s.


Of course they’d have been all over this thread had their team qualified!
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