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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby PENK » 23 Mar 2018, 21:31

Geezee wrote:Robben

Dutch Player of the Year 2003, signed by Chelsea for £12million.
Terry

Over 100 Premier League appearances for Chelsea and a dozen England caps before Mourinho joined the club. Already club vice-captain when Mourinho joined - and captain Desailly retired.
Cech

£7million transfer had been agreed by Ranieri before Mourinho joined the club. At this point he was already the Czech Rep's number one keeper with two seasons' experience from Ligue 1.
Cole

Over 100 Premier League games for West Ham and had already travelled to the World Cup with England when Ranieri signed him for £7million.
Balotelli

Signed for Inter and brought into the first team by Roberto Mancini in 2007. Fell out with and was dropped by Mourinho several times over the two years they were at the club together, leading to his being sold on in 2010.
Varane

Signed for £9million from Lens after establishing himself as a Ligue 1 regular.
Morata

You got one! Given his first-team debut by Mourinho, for whom he played 18 games in three years. He played 34 games the season following Mourinho's departure.

The players I listed for Guardiola above were all brought through from the club academy where they had in most cases actually worked with him when he was coaching the B team. He gave them all their first-team debuts and many went on to be full internationals. Pedro - who you apparently dismiss as having not made the grade at international level - has 64 caps and World Cup and European Championship winners' medals alongside his three Champions Leagues.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 24 Mar 2018, 06:46

Yeah but..............
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Lord Rother » 24 Mar 2018, 09:38

Anyway, can we all just agree that Guardiola is a football God and Mourinho is a cunt?

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby PENK » 24 Mar 2018, 11:37

Lord Rother wrote:Anyway, can we all just agree that Guardiola is a football God and Mourinho is a cunt?


I don’t know, I think Geezee is still working on his argument showing that Mourinho’s use of Javier Zanetti at Inter shows his commitment to giving youth a chance.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Geezee » 29 Mar 2018, 14:02

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Geezee wrote:If the conclusion is that Guardiola has fostered more, and better, young talent than Mourinho, yes I do remain unconvinced as I think the discussion has certainly not showed that in any way. I didn't realise it was something to back down over - the case for Guardiola that has been put forward so far is laughable at best.


You just don't like to be proved wrong on anything. I'd say the argument has been put forward more convincingly than your argument which consisted of examples that didn't even fit the criteria, but you're determined to stand your ground, so I won't pursue it any further.


The subject is now both old and done to death of course (my appearances on bcb are very infrequent due to a 3-week-old newborn at home) but in case it is of interest i do accept that Guardiola has a better record than Mourinho - though I'd still question if it's much/significantly better. The fact that the case of Shaw was being used as evidence of his lack of support of youth, but players of the same age who did thrive under him were being dismissed as too old/established, does show that there is some bias in how Mourinho is perceived on this record. But ultimately, he's such a cxck that he deserves any such bias.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Rayge » 29 Mar 2018, 14:04

Geezee wrote:my appearances on bcb are very infrequent due to a 3-week-old newborn at home


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Postby Geezee » 29 Mar 2018, 14:12

Thanks! - I've already sent the special one a heads-up that a future teenage superstar is on the way.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Toby » 01 Apr 2018, 09:03

Much needed improvement from the Hammers yesterday against what looked like a piss poor Southampton side. 14th but still much work to do - I think 42 pts is going to be the safety zone this season.

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 12:22

Toby wrote:Much needed improvement from the Hammers yesterday against what looked like a piss poor Southampton side. 14th but still much work to do - I think 42 pts is going to be the safety zone this season.


They used the fiasco of a few weeks back and completely trampled Southampton.

I'm not sure where you get 42 points from - I'm thinking 38 will definitely keep you up (and 36 may even be enough).
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 17:20

Brilliant goal from Alli there.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 17:25

And a messy second one too.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Toby » 01 Apr 2018, 21:06

Quite the riposte to his critics.

On safety - I'm just being pessimistic.

West Brom are all but relegated. Stoke and Southampton have it all to do as Palace look too good and have a relatively easy run in.

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 21:46

Toby wrote:Quite the riposte to his critics.


Taken :)


Toby wrote:On safety - I'm just being pessimistic.

West Brom are all but relegated. Stoke and Southampton have it all to do as Palace look too good and have a relatively easy run in.


I think WBA and Stoke are gone. The other slot is between Southampton & Huddersfield- I hope it's Southampton that fall.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 23:46

Incredible as it may seem, Arsenal must quietly fancy their chances of catching Chelsea - who now have 11 points from their last 10 league matches.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby The Modernist » 02 Apr 2018, 08:17

Diamond Dog wrote:
I think WBA and Stoke are gone. The other slot is between Southampton & Huddersfield- I hope it's Southampton that fall.


I'd like to see Huddersfield escape, but sadly I think they'll get relegated alongside Southampton and WBA.

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 02 Apr 2018, 09:46

I just don't see Stoke rallying around Lambert - they battled well enough yesterday but there's discipline issues there which aren't being addressed. And when your star player tells the press that the rest of the team aren't good enough (and still gets picked), another experienced player gets caught night clubbing, gets dropped (but then gets reinstated due to injuries) then there isn't going to be any discipline.

I think Palace will definitely stay up. I just hope Huddersfield can squeeze enough points to stay up.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 02 Apr 2018, 10:51

K wrote:As much as I have a soft spot for Hughes


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Re: Premiership 2017/18

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K wrote:As much as I have a soft spot for Hughes as a former manager of City, I would love to see Stoke and Southampton go down. Premier league managers on the merry go round need to be shaken up.


I wonder if Pardew’s time is up now that West Brom have got shot of him.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 02 Apr 2018, 16:02

PENK wrote:
K wrote:As much as I have a soft spot for Hughes as a former manager of City, I would love to see Stoke and Southampton go down. Premier league managers on the merry go round need to be shaken up.


I wonder if Pardew’s time is up now that West Brom have got shot of him.


He has two wins from his last 29 EPL games (W2, D7, L 20). Which should make him unemployable but... he'll resurface (after the customary bit of TV punditry) somewhere next season.

His time was up from the moment he played Barry, Livermore & Evans the game after the Barcelona taxi incident. If you can get away with that, how can anyone take discipline seriously?
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby The Modernist » 02 Apr 2018, 18:12

PENK wrote:
K wrote:As much as I have a soft spot for Hughes as a former manager of City, I would love to see Stoke and Southampton go down. Premier league managers on the merry go round need to be shaken up.


I wonder if Pardew’s time is up now that West Brom have got shot of him.


Just seen John Carver, easily the most incompetent premiership manager of all time, was there as assistant coach. No wonder they were shit! :lol: