FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 16:16

you are pathetic, pete. perhaps you'll get more response if you tag it to jimbo's conspiracies thread?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Diamond Dog wrote:Anytime you feel like explaining your prejudices, feel free :


You've had over three pages now.....
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 17:19

pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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'skope wrote:pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.


Why? Why do you believe that that would % wise less than white managers? And, if even it is, what we need to establish is why that is? I say it's because there is a systematic and endemic culture of bias against non white managers - why do you think it is (yet again)?
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Diamond Dog wrote:
'skope wrote:pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.


Why?


really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Diamond Dog wrote:Anytime you feel like explaining your prejudices, feel free :


You've had over three pages now.....
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 18:15

jeez. my prejudices?

i'll be more interested in discussing your naivety, really i would.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 18:34

Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.
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Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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'skope wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?


Appreciably less obvious than your prejudice.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 20:01

Diamond Dog wrote:
'skope wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?


Appreciably less obvious than your prejudice.


you sicken me. to my very bcb core.

get a grip pete, and take another holiday to reflect upon your bnp mentality.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 21:02

K wrote:
'skope wrote:you sicken me. to my very bcb core.

get a grip pete, and take another holiday to reflect upon your bnp mentality.


"I don't believe in positive discrimination" said the Ukip leader, adding "the other political parties have all-female shortlists - we don't.

"We treat people on merit and that's a fairer and better system."


it seems like you have a little bcb bummer-boy, pete.

engage and enjoy the blow-off.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 21:46

So that would still be you unable/unwilling to provide an answer to a very simple question then. Again.

You are a blowhard, who has been shown up for exactly what you are a - racist homophobe.

Now fuck off and find some meat eaters to pick on, you clueless, witless, artless twat.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Diamond Dog wrote:
You are a blowhard, who has been shown up for exactly what you are a - racist homophobe.

Now fuck off and find some meat eaters to pick on, you clueless, witless, artless twat.


is that really the best you can do, pete. really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Butch Manly » 06 Jun 2015, 22:05

'skope wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Either you're suggesting the black guys are too lazy and/or stupid to qualify as coaches/progress to management.


jeez :roll:

come back to this thread when you've got something constructive to say, pete.



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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Butch Manly » 06 Jun 2015, 22:15

(sorry, I'm lagging behind with this thread, but here goes....)

'skope wrote:rio at west ham, king at spurs, henry at arsenal, makalele at chelsea. i'm sure that if any of them had the desire and skills to manage, they would be welcomed with open arms by both the fans and the owners to step up to the plate.


Interesting. Perhaps by a large (though not as large as if they'd been white) section of the fans but, almost certainly, not fancied much by the powers-that-be at those clubs. The underlying racism within our society (one part of which is: Black people aren't quite as trustworthy as whites in positions of power or, if you fancy another one, the owners don't quite trust the players to take a bollocking off a black guy) seems to be holding non-white would-be-managers back.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 22:16

Mabel Griff's Toyshop wrote:
'skope wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Either you're suggesting the black guys are too lazy and/or stupid to qualify as coaches/progress to management.


jeez :roll:

come back to this thread when you've got something constructive to say, pete.



No, he's bang on the money.


is he, andrew? is he really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Butch Manly » 06 Jun 2015, 22:16

Diamond Dog wrote:Far from it. I followed this closely in American Football, back when there wasn't a black head coach in the NFL. And those that said it was 'just a coincidence' used similar arguments - why didn't black guys get to be Quarterbacks (the position most likely to be associated with advancement to Head Coach at the time)? The same lazy arguments you are (surreptitiously) forwarding - re non whites % of coaching credentials. Exactly the same prejudiced views, with exactly similar results. Until they introduced The Rooney rule - whereby each head coaching/ co-ordinator position had to have at least one minority candidate interviewed.

Have a guess what - the level of minority coaches shot up, almost instantaneously. Why do you think that was? Because the non whites saw at least a semblance of a level playing field, and took the opportunity - instead of being debarred as a matter of course.


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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Butch Manly » 06 Jun 2015, 22:18

K wrote:Then the only possible explanation is that black people are less competent than white people.


Yep. Or just thicker. Or less trustworthy.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Butch Manly » 06 Jun 2015, 22:25

'skope wrote:pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.


How many black players don't even bother though because they know they're unlikely to get the gig anyway and, even if they do, they'll probably come up against all sorts of institutional and cultural racism as soon as they sit in the dug-out?

I'm surprised at you, Adam. Is it that hard to envisage?
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