FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 17:12

Diamond Dog wrote:Anytime you feel like explaining your prejudices, feel free :


You've had over three pages now.....
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 17:19

pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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'skope wrote:pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.


Why? Why do you believe that that would % wise less than white managers? And, if even it is, what we need to establish is why that is? I say it's because there is a systematic and endemic culture of bias against non white managers - why do you think it is (yet again)?
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 17:56

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'skope wrote:pete, before we can even begin to debate this we must establish how many potential black managers are applying for positions and who they are up against.


Why?


really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

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Diamond Dog wrote:Anytime you feel like explaining your prejudices, feel free :


You've had over three pages now.....
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 18:15

jeez. my prejudices?

i'll be more interested in discussing your naivety, really i would.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 18:34

Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 18:38

Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 19:43

'skope wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?


Appreciably less obvious than your prejudice.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 20:01

Diamond Dog wrote:
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Diamond Dog wrote:Indeed you would. Much more comfortable for you.


so how is your naivety, pete?


Appreciably less obvious than your prejudice.


you sicken me. to my very bcb core.

get a grip pete, and take another holiday to reflect upon your bnp mentality.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 21:02

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'skope wrote:you sicken me. to my very bcb core.

get a grip pete, and take another holiday to reflect upon your bnp mentality.


"I don't believe in positive discrimination" said the Ukip leader, adding "the other political parties have all-female shortlists - we don't.

"We treat people on merit and that's a fairer and better system."


it seems like you have a little bcb bummer-boy, pete.

engage and enjoy the blow-off.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Jun 2015, 21:46

So that would still be you unable/unwilling to provide an answer to a very simple question then. Again.

You are a blowhard, who has been shown up for exactly what you are a - racist homophobe.

Now fuck off and find some meat eaters to pick on, you clueless, witless, artless twat.
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 21:47

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You are a blowhard, who has been shown up for exactly what you are a - racist homophobe.

Now fuck off and find some meat eaters to pick on, you clueless, witless, artless twat.


is that really the best you can do, pete. really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 22:16

Mabel Griff's Toyshop wrote:
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Diamond Dog wrote:Either you're suggesting the black guys are too lazy and/or stupid to qualify as coaches/progress to management.


jeez :roll:

come back to this thread when you've got something constructive to say, pete.



No, he's bang on the money.


is he, andrew? is he really?

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 06 Jun 2015, 22:36

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K wrote:Homophobic and racist. You are a piece of work.


It has to be noted, you are not covering yourself in glory on this thread, Adam.

It's not too late to save some face by conceding you're initial thoughts were ill-thought-out, though. We've all been there.


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fuck off andrew, you fat cunt.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby The Modernist » 07 Jun 2015, 10:02

Skope having a different opinion doesn't make him a racist. Get a grip people.

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby Diamond Dog » 07 Jun 2015, 10:30

The Modernist wrote:Skope having a different opinion doesn't make him a racist. Get a grip people.



It does if he is implying that black players don't become manager's because they either don't have the ability or because they are too lazy to apply for positions. Which is exactly what he is implying.

He has had three pages to explain why he believes there is a logical reason, other than racism and prejudice, to explain the huge imbalance between white and non white ex players moving on to managing English clubs.

He has singularly failed to do so - indeed, he has stated that he doesn't have a clue. However, he knows enough, apparently, to know that it categorically isn't because of racism. But refuses to provide any evidence to back even that claim up.

I have provided the very real example of the Rooney Rule in the NFL. Which he chose to completely ignore although it absolutely runs parallel to this particular debate.

Maybe you can do better than him, G, and tell us why you think non white manager's are so seriously disadvantaged/overlooked in the English game?
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby never/ever » 07 Jun 2015, 10:40

I was reminded of this article of 2009... Perhaps the reason is, as stated, the lack of black people in board rooms in general...
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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 07 Jun 2015, 10:46

The Modernist wrote:Skope having a different opinion doesn't make him a racist. Get a grip people.


thanks, G. this thread has gone beyond debate and has got unpleasantly personal.

the only fact presented on this thread is that there is a disproportionate number of black managers in the english game. everything else is opinion.

i'm not sure if it's a fact, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a higher proportion of blacks in football than in most other professions. likewise, i would suggest that the proportion of black players representing the national team is higher than the ratio of the black/white population in England.

let's put some perspective on this debate. football management is the arse-end of the professional game, just below refereeing. it is not some supreme position of power. in someways it's the most thankless job in the game and compared to the wages paid to the top players is also not as financially rewarding either.

i simply don't buy into the argument that owners who spend fortunes in transfer fees and salaries on black players, wouldn't be willing to do the same on black managers due to "overt and covert racism".

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Re: FA told Graham Taylor not to pick too many black players for England

Postby 'skope » 07 Jun 2015, 11:28

Mabel Griff's Toyshop wrote:
'skope wrote:
The Modernist wrote:Skope having a different opinion doesn't make him a racist. Get a grip people.


thanks, G. this thread has gone beyond debate and has got unpleasantly personal.


'skope wrote:
fuck off andrew, you fat cunt.


:roll:


just giving you some back, andrew!


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