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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby The Modernist » 29 Aug 2015, 17:33

PENK wrote:I've read a couple of pundits suggesting that many teams are becoming more effective away from home because the counter is such a valuable weapon in modern football.


It's hardly a new tactic!
Palace have been playing that way for a while now. They play with proper, pacey wingers with Bhoulassi and Zaha. Really refreshing to see.

We are seeing a more attacking premiership generally though. The three promoted teams are all very attacking whereas the prevailing school of thought used to be that promoted sides should try and be very solid defensively and try nick draws and single goal wins. I think Swansea lead the way a few years ago, Leicester stuck to their guns in playing a pretty open attacking game and eventually it paid off for them. I hope the newly promoted sides are similarly rewarded.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Penk! » 29 Aug 2015, 18:58

The Modernist wrote:
PENK wrote:I've read a couple of pundits suggesting that many teams are becoming more effective away from home because the counter is such a valuable weapon in modern football.


It's hardly a new tactic!


No but it seems a lot of teams have refined it more following the lead of the Bayern and Dortmund sides of a few years ago. A more strategic, incisive and creative variant.
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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 29 Aug 2015, 19:45

Payet is a strong contender for signing of the season so far, alongside Crystal Palace's Sako.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 02 Sep 2015, 16:10

Busy deadline day - Moses, Song, Jelavic and Antonio. I think Jelavic might do a handy job under Bilic - he's one of those players who can grab goals, but can understand why many thought it was a bit of an underwhelming signing. Moses and Song will probably do alright for us - the latter is obviously never going to be fully fit but he can pass the ball and then some when he is. Not seen much of Antonio but he's obviously been OK for Forest.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby The Modernist » 02 Sep 2015, 18:33

Toby wrote:Busy deadline day - Moses, Song, Jelavic and Antonio. I think Jelavic might do a handy job under Bilic - he's one of those players who can grab goals, but can understand why many thought it was a bit of an underwhelming signing. .


His goalscoring record in the prem is poor and it's a poor signing.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Conrad Knight Socks » 02 Sep 2015, 20:40

PENK wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
PENK wrote:I've read a couple of pundits suggesting that many teams are becoming more effective away from home because the counter is such a valuable weapon in modern football.


It's hardly a new tactic!


No but it seems a lot of teams have refined it more following the lead of the Bayern and Dortmund sides of a few years ago. A more strategic, incisive and creative variant.


And why the away goals rule is outmoded.
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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby the masked man » 02 Sep 2015, 22:29

Antonio was brilliant in the one season he had at Forest, a high-scoring winger. If he stays fit, he will be a great signing for the Hammers. I sincerely hope he does well in the Premier League. But he has past issues with fitness.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 03 Sep 2015, 07:37

The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:Busy deadline day - Moses, Song, Jelavic and Antonio. I think Jelavic might do a handy job under Bilic - he's one of those players who can grab goals, but can understand why many thought it was a bit of an underwhelming signing. .


His goalscoring record in the prem is poor and it's a poor signing.


£3 million for an international striker with proven Prem experience is what it is. There's not much about in that position for that price - we were looking at a Turkish striker who scored a lot of goals in the CL last season but would they be able to adjust to the Prem.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Diamond Dog » 03 Sep 2015, 09:56

I think he's a decent stop gap if things go wrong there. As you say, £3 million today is sweet fuck all, in reality.

I thought West Ham had a very good transfer window - maybe the best in the whol of the Prem.
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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 03 Sep 2015, 10:17

In terms of squad depth and money spent, I think Gold and Sullivan have done really well.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby The Modernist » 03 Sep 2015, 18:50

Toby wrote:
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Toby wrote:Busy deadline day - Moses, Song, Jelavic and Antonio. I think Jelavic might do a handy job under Bilic - he's one of those players who can grab goals, but can understand why many thought it was a bit of an underwhelming signing. .


His goalscoring record in the prem is poor and it's a poor signing.


£3 million for an international striker with proven Prem experience is what it is. There's not much about in that position for that price - we were looking at a Turkish striker who scored a lot of goals in the CL last season but would they be able to adjust to the Prem.


Has Jelavic adjusted to the prem? We've already seen what he can do -not much.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 03 Sep 2015, 21:00

He scored a few goals for Everton when he arrived.

I'm not saying he's a great player. But for £3 million and having worked with Bilic at international level the move makes sense from a squad perspective.

If we were spending £7 or £8 million then it would be different, but there's not exactly much in terms of risk with it.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Penk! » 04 Sep 2015, 10:24

The Modernist wrote:Has Jelavic adjusted to the prem? We've already seen what he can do -not much.


Twice as many goals as Danny Welbeck last season despite playing for a team that went down.

He'll get six or seven goals as a backup striker and that's what West Ham have bought him for.
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Postby Toby » 04 Sep 2015, 12:37

Yeah stop handing out the criticisms when you bought Danny "I only score for England and I'm injured most of the time" Welbeck for 5 times the amount!

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Diamond Dog » 04 Sep 2015, 12:47

Toby wrote:Yeah stop handing out the criticisms when you bought Danny "I only score for England and I'm injured most of the time" Welbeck for 5 times the amount!


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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 14 Sep 2015, 22:06

Solid victory over an uninspiring Newcastle. Payet and Moses outstanding.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 20 Sep 2015, 09:15

Having seen Payet a couple of times now over the course of 90 minutes, I'm stunned that no other club was interested in him! He's been outstanding so far - physically impressive, very skilful and full of pace. He's transformed our attacking potential.

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Rayge » 20 Nov 2015, 17:40

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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Rayge » 22 Nov 2015, 13:02

http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2015/11/1 ... ing-rights

Interesting stuff from Spooky, who more or less nails the oddly unequal 'rivalry' between Spurs and Wham
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Re: West Ham United FC

Postby Toby » 22 Nov 2015, 14:05

I wouldn't be surprised if Tottenham win 3-0 today, but on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if we won 2-0 either. Bilic will set up us defensively very well, especially with Reid back to fitness, yet without Payet I wonder whether we have the ability to win against what is clearly a very good Tottenham side. Good times for both sides in fairness.