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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Apr 2018, 04:58

Darkness_Fish wrote:Pfft, that was a really boring way of winning the league. I mean, I enjoy seeing Utd lose more than most, but it takes the edge off it when they're more West Brom than West Brom. I mean, if it looked like they had a clue, or give a shit, that would've made it so much more enjoyable. I feel just that bit robbed. I hope the Utd fans do, too.


I think they do. They don't like Mourinho, that much is obvious. He looked completely shellshocked yesterday after the game - and rightly so. Man Utd were dreadful.

The past two weeks do make you wonder though if West Brom had jettisoned Pardew earlier - or just not hired him at all- and given the job straight to Darren moore, how they could be looking now.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Apr 2018, 05:20

When people are talking about great managerial performances this year, maybe we shoud include Benitz at Newcastle too.

Four wins in a row have made them safe and that's with absolutely zero help from the owner etc. Tremendous effort and worthy of praise.
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Postby Lord Rother » 16 Apr 2018, 07:18

Oh well, Mourinho does seem to have changed the face of football Management this season. Whereas in the past Mourinho set the scene somewhat by deflecting any attention on sub-par performances by his teams by talking about himself, officials, anything, now it now seems entirely acceptable to out the players after disappointing performances, and to pick on individuals repeatedly.

Even at the start of this season that would have been a complete no-no across the football world, yet now it attracts very little attention.

Interesting.

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby The Modernist » 17 Apr 2018, 02:42

Toby wrote:I hope Palace keep Zaha as well because it's clear that without him they would probably be bottom of the league. Terrific player and by all accounts I don't think he's too fussed about leaving because he loves the club.


He was absolutely desperate to join Arsenal a few years back. I wish we'd done it too, I'm a long time fan of his. He would explode in a top four side.

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Re: Premiership 2017/18

Postby Diamond Dog » 17 Apr 2018, 05:33

Joe Hart? I mean, really.
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Postby Darkness_Fish » 17 Apr 2018, 09:30

Diamond Dog wrote:Joe Hart? I mean, really.

Thank God for that timely reminder of what his 'experience' really brings, it looked like his decent game against Chelsea might've been enough for him to be in with a shout of another chance at the no 1 shirt. Experience of being comfortably the worst keeper in an international tournament is not something we require.

However, I'm now well behind the campaign for Peter Crouch and Andy Carroll to lead England's front line.
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Postby Lord Rother » 17 Apr 2018, 12:07

No fan of Hart but he was badly unsighted wasn’t he?

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Postby Darkness_Fish » 17 Apr 2018, 12:44

Lord Rother wrote:No fan of Hart but he was badly unsighted wasn’t he?

Not that badly: https://twitter.com/Vintage_Utd/status/ ... 4467849216

I'm not willing to give him the leeway, anyway, the Euros should have been the end of his international career.

Football 365 just posted this, too, via the @ghostgoal twitter account:
Joe Hart (18 appearances) has made as many errors leading to goals this season (four) as every other English goalkeeper in the Premier League put together (179 appearances).
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Postby Toby » 17 Apr 2018, 13:43

United are dreadful and yet they're probably going to win the FA Cup and finish 2nd.

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Postby Dr Markus » 17 Apr 2018, 14:14

I'll fully admit if i'm wrong next season or the season after but I think Mourinho is the wrong guy for Utd. His style won't help attract attacking players, his attitude and relationship towards the fans isn't the best, and the more talented players at utd aren't happy with his style I don't think. It's like the end of his second stint at chavski, only happening a lot sooner at utd. Of course I hope i'm right and he stays. :D
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Postby Geezee » 17 Apr 2018, 14:52

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he doesn't win the league next year.
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Re: Premiership 2017/18

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Dr Markus wrote:I'll fully admit if i'm wrong next season or the season after but I think Mourinho is the wrong guy for Utd.


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Postby Dr Markus » 17 Apr 2018, 15:59

It's partly down to style, and scrapping some results considering the players they have.
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Postby Toby » 17 Apr 2018, 20:23

So Everton have asked fans to "grade" Sam Allardyce.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -zero-hero

I'm conflicted about whether this is good or not. In one respect, it's pretty shameful because it seems like the club are essentially looking for a reason to sack him. But then just sack him.

Perhaps on the other hand there is a vocal minority of fans who are projecting about how much they dislike him, when many fans might be more circumspect. He's done the job he was asked to do - keep them up after a dreadful start to the season.

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Postby Dr Markus » 17 Apr 2018, 20:36

Few rumours of utd selling pogba. Would be embarrassing if they did. Especially if he went on to amazing success elsewhere, that would be twice that happened.
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Toby wrote:So Everton have asked fans to "grade" Sam Allardyce.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -zero-hero

I'm conflicted about whether this is good or not. In one respect, it's pretty shameful because it seems like the club are essentially looking for a reason to sack him. But then just sack him.

Perhaps on the other hand there is a vocal minority of fans who are projecting about how much they dislike him, when many fans might be more circumspect. He's done the job he was asked to do - keep them up after a dreadful start to the season.


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Postby The Modernist » 17 Apr 2018, 21:11

Toby wrote:
Perhaps on the other hand there is a vocal minority of fans who are projecting about how much they dislike him, when many fans might be more circumspect.


That's about as likely a scenario as Goodison Park being renamed Bob Paisley Stadium.
I think you'd struggle to find an Everton fan who would want him to continue into next season.

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Postby The Modernist » 17 Apr 2018, 21:13

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Toby wrote:United are dreadful and yet they're probably going to win the FA Cup and finish 2nd.

It's bizarre isn't it? I just don't see how they've managed it. They've been poor, but must have won quite a lot of games!


De Gea in goal is worth an additional 10-15 points a season I reckon.

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Postby The Modernist » 17 Apr 2018, 21:15

Geezee wrote:Frankly, I'd be surprised if he doesn't win the league next year.


Prepare to be surprised then..this season is as good as it'll get for him in the league with Utd.

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Postby Toby » 17 Apr 2018, 21:21

The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:
Perhaps on the other hand there is a vocal minority of fans who are projecting about how much they dislike him, when many fans might be more circumspect.


That's about as likely a scenario as Goodison Park being renamed Bob Paisley Stadium.
I think you'd struggle to find an Everton fan who would want him to continue into next season.


Oh I realise that - I'm sure it's very much the former, but it seems like a remarkably weird thing to do.