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Re: Liverpool

Postby Diamond Dog » 07 Dec 2017, 15:21

They're in the 'up' part of their cycle - they hit really powerful peaks and troughs (much more so than other clubs, I believe). At the moment, they'd be a match for anyone. But in two/three weeks time, they'll be struggling to beat poor teams at home again.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby WG Kaspar » 07 Dec 2017, 17:32

Diamond Dog wrote:They're in the 'up' part of their cycle - they hit really powerful peaks and troughs (much more so than other clubs, I believe). At the moment, they'd be a match for anyone. But in two/three weeks time, they'll be struggling to beat poor teams at home again.

It'd be a bonus if they started this week.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby John aka Josh » 07 Dec 2017, 20:28

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It's only a matter of time before the "Sky Six" negotiate their own TV deals. Unlike in the NFL where the TV rights are shared evenly (and there is revenue sharing for most things) the EPL's bigger hitters were scared shitless by Leicester a couple of seasons back and they sure as shit ain't going to let that happen again. Starving the other teams of TV revenue is the first step.






Remember the days when Everton were part of the 'Big Five' who were adamantly in favour of more money for themselves and so helped bring about the foundation of the Premier League? More money for the clubs in the top division was the driving force behind its creation. Interestingly, Everton along with West Ham & Leicester were the clubs along with the 'Venal Six' who this October voted in favour of a higher proportion of overseas broadcast revenue being given to teams higher up the table.


Football at elite level stopped being 'The People's game' a long time ago. There was an interesting programme recently about women's football in England which by 1921 was getting large numbers of spectators - often higher than men's football - and was then shafted by the FA who refused to allow women's games to be played on the pitches of clubs affiliated to the FA.


There is so much bollocks around football teams nowadays. One bugbear of mine is the kits. There is no need to change them annually, let alone have three strips. One of the many reasons I used to look down on Man Utd was their commercialisation & production of crap merchandise, sadly that boat sailed long ago. When I was a standing member of the Kop, the club shop was a poky little affair about a third the size of my classroom that was open for half a day on Fridays as well as on match days. Now there is Liverpool One, a permanent store in the city centre with other stores in Chester, Birkenhead & Belfast.


The change at Bournemouth has been equally extraordinary.


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Re: Liverpool

Postby Diamond Dog » 07 Dec 2017, 20:35

I don;t recall saying Everton were any 'better' or more 'moral' than others - considering the amount of money we threw around in the summer, it would be somewhat churlish of me to say so.

However, it's undeniable that the "Sky Six" are going to deny others as much money as they ca, to enable them to stay where they are.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby John aka Josh » 07 Dec 2017, 20:53

Diamond Dog wrote:I don;t recall saying Everton were any 'better' or more 'moral' than others - considering the amount of money we threw around in the summer, it would be somewhat churlish of me to say so.

However, it's undeniable that the "Sky Six" are going to deny others as much money as they ca, to enable them to stay where they are.





You didn't claim any morality for Everton & I'm not denying that the current 'Selfish Six' are out for themselves. The avaricious nature of a 'sport' regularly appals me. In some ways I wish I hadn't become a supporter/fan of a football club, the joy and passion I experienced/experience however still remains.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby Diamond Dog » 08 Dec 2017, 17:20

Klopp says being Liverpool captain is the hardest job in world football.

Grow up, you fucking imbecile.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby John aka Josh » 08 Dec 2017, 20:24

Football manager in hyperbolic statement shock horror!





















You missed out the bit that makes it clear that he's referring to replacing Steven Gerrard, which is indeed a pretty tough ask.
















Shame on me for rising to the bait. I avoid managerial & footballer's interviews as they are so inane, but felt the need to find the context of this one.











Klopp is our most entertaining manager since Shankly. Matter of interest DD, would you rather have Klopp or Allardyce at the helm long term?
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Re: Liverpool

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Dec 2017, 23:46

They’ve got a crooked cunt for a manager. The fall has been huge. They’re understandably bitter and bent of shape.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby The Modernist » 09 Dec 2017, 00:14

There are very few fans of other clubs who wouldn't want Klopp as their manager. Man City fans wouldn't, maybe not most Spurs fans...but everyone else, yeah.

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Re: Liverpool

Postby Jeemo » 09 Dec 2017, 00:54

Yet his record at Liverpool is no better than BR.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby The Modernist » 09 Dec 2017, 02:38

Jeemo wrote:Yet his record at Liverpool is no better than BR.


I've been a little surprised at how critical some have been of Klopp. Do people expect instant success?

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Re: Liverpool

Postby Diamond Dog » 09 Dec 2017, 05:46

So - even taking into account the 'huge burden' of replacing Gerard - really 'the toughest job in world football'?

Get over yourself.

In a world of manager's talking utter shit, that comment stands high on the hill. What complete bollocks.

As for Klopp, I've actually been very "Pro" his appointment and the job he's doing at Anfield. I'm not sure how that makes his comment any less dumb though.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby Jeemo » 09 Dec 2017, 08:50

The Modernist wrote:
Jeemo wrote:Yet his record at Liverpool is no better than BR.


I've been a little surprised at how critical some have been of Klopp. Do people expect instant success?


He hasn't brought a level of consistency to results and performances that would move the team onwards. They vear from brilliant to mediocre far too often.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby The Modernist » 09 Dec 2017, 11:05

Jeemo wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Jeemo wrote:Yet his record at Liverpool is no better than BR.


I've been a little surprised at how critical some have been of Klopp. Do people expect instant success?


He hasn't brought a level of consistency to results and performances that would move the team onwards. They vear from brilliant to mediocre far too often.


I think it's fair to judge him this season, and so far the judgement would be a little mixed. Some of the attacking play has been thrilling, but obviously there's been major defensive issues at times. If he can keep them into the top four for the second successive season I'd argue that would qualify as consistency. Overall, I'd say there's been more good than bad and they certainly look stronger than did towards the end of Rodger's reign.

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Re: Liverpool

Postby John aka Josh » 09 Dec 2017, 11:31

Diamond Dog wrote:So - even taking into account the 'huge burden' of replacing Gerard - really 'the toughest job in world football'?

Get over yourself.

In a world of manager's talking utter shit, that comment stands high on the hill. What complete bollocks.

As for Klopp, I've actually been very "Pro" his appointment and the job he's doing at Anfield. I'm not sure how that makes his comment any less dumb though.





Get over myself? I agree it's complete bollocks. I avoid manager & player interviews as I expect them to be full of rubbish. Surprised anyone takes any notice of them.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby trans-chigley express » 09 Dec 2017, 11:38

The Modernist wrote:
Jeemo wrote:Yet his record at Liverpool is no better than BR.


I've been a little surprised at how critical some have been of Klopp. Do people expect instant success?

These days yes, sadly.

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Postby Toby » 09 Dec 2017, 20:10

The record in terms of league positions is the same as Rodgers, but the difference is that Klopp is the sort of manager that attracts great players to work under him. That should be obvious.

I doubt Rodgers would have been able to attract Salah (who has been terrific) and potentially keep Coutinho at the club (although I accept that this is pure speculation on my behalf as to whether the incumbent manager is a factor in him staying for now).

I'd agree with DD that they are on the crest of a wave and will no doubt dip, but I also reckon that they are stronger as an attacking force than they were a year ago, even if defensively they are probably about the same.

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Re: Liverpool

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Dec 2017, 20:07

Classy interview with Sky by Klopp.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby German Dave » 10 Dec 2017, 21:44

He's always had it in him.
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Re: Liverpool

Postby The Modernist » 10 Dec 2017, 23:40

Toby wrote:I doubt Rodgers would have been able to attract Salah (who has been terrific).


I don't see why not. Liverpool are a bigger club than Roma and pay better wages.