60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby nev harp » 10 Feb 2018, 13:18

My Roachford picks are ready to go.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby fange » 10 Feb 2018, 13:23

nev harp wrote:My Roachford picks are ready to go.

Just stay away from Alexander O'Neal.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby nev harp » 10 Feb 2018, 13:38

I’m fed up ‘cos all you ever do is criticise :cry:
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby fange » 10 Feb 2018, 13:43

Constructively

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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Count Machuki » 10 Feb 2018, 16:04

Count Machuki wrote:Earth Hot Air & No Fire.
Vapid pop with big band arrangements for people who can't stand the heat of the funk.


My views have softened a little, but I mostly stand by this.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 16:23

I can’t believe I was so dismissive of Eddie Holman in my first post!

Re-reading it, what bugged me about this thread was the tiny universe of Soul/R&B and Funk acts actually under discussion.

Essentially what happened was people started mentioning the most enduring 30 or so artists from that era and condemning or defending. It would be analogous to asking the same question about 60s/70s rock and pop acts, and having folks answer, “I don’t like The Byrd’s much,” “I never got Creedence” and/or “Led Zeppelin never really connected with me”

I get that people see soul as getting a free pass because there’s so little risk in including a generic soul obscurity to your cup list. But I think there’s just as much evidence that we pass over most of this work as invisible. We’ve got time here to parse the difference between The Seeds and the Shadows of Knight, but you’d never see the same attention given to the Bar-Kays vs. The Dells (and imagine the blank stares if you started a Whatnauts vs. Lost Generation thread).

Somewhere around the Chi-lites and Doris Troy...this board falls off the map, treating all of the rest of this material as rare trinkets of amazement brought back from the wild.

So sure. You get some ooohs and aaahs for being willing to don the pith helmet, cut through the YouTube brush and return with a curio from Brenda and the Tabulations. But that isn’t a result of too much adulation for soul music. It’s a result of our willingness to mostly collectively ignore it, and then exoticize it when we do pay it any mind.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 16:26

Count Machuki wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Earth Hot Air & No Fire.
Vapid pop with big band arrangements for people who can't stand the heat of the funk.


My views have softened a little, but I mostly stand by this.


Wrong then. More softly wrong now.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby nev harp » 10 Feb 2018, 16:27

nev harp wrote:The vast majority of George Clinton's output. Wildly scatalogical and puerile, an inch of musical material stretched and weakened to transparency and dreadfully indulgent - fratboy funk.


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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 16:27

Count Machuki wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Earth Hot Air & No Fire.
Vapid pop with big band arrangements for people who can't stand the heat of the funk.


My views have softened a little, but I mostly stand by this.


I don't think that's fair at all. I know lots of legit people who love EW&F.

Also, No Official Funk band, such as Parliament, ever came close to a "Shining Star," "That's The Way of the World," or "September," or whatever. I'll happily trade Official Funk Credibility for actual great records, if that's necessary.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 16:32

Very Stable Baron wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Earth Hot Air & No Fire.
Vapid pop with big band arrangements for people who can't stand the heat of the funk.


My views have softened a little, but I mostly stand by this.


I don't think that's fair at all. I know lots of legit people who love EW&F.

Also, No Official Funk band, such as Parliament, ever came close to a "Shining Star," "That's The Way of the World," or "September," or whatever. I'll happily trade Official Funk Credibility for actual great records, if that's necessary.


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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 16:36

So TAKE THAT, COUNT!
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Super-Jank » 10 Feb 2018, 16:46

what’s ‘legit people’, Baron?
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 16:46

His assessment also completely ignores the psych-soul/funk of their early records.

Is this for people who can’t stand the heat?

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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 16:52

OCT wrote:what’s ‘legit people’, Baron?


People who can "stand the heat of the funk."
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Postby K » 10 Feb 2018, 16:55

Very Stable Baron wrote:Also, No Official Funk band, such as Parliament, ever came close to a "Shining Star," "That's The Way of the World," or "September," or whatever. I'll happily trade Official Funk Credibility for actual great records, if that's necessary.

I like E, W & F, but this is untrue.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 16:57

K wrote:
Very Stable Baron wrote:Also, No Official Funk band, such as Parliament, ever came close to a "Shining Star," "That's The Way of the World," or "September," or whatever. I'll happily trade Official Funk Credibility for actual great records, if that's necessary.

I like E, W & F, but this is untrue.


You like silly Parliament records. We know. That's ok.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 16:58

Very Stable Baron wrote:
OCT wrote:what’s ‘legit people’, Baron?


People who can "stand the heat of the funk."


Perhaps the more apt question is, what does Count mean? What heat and what funk can these alleged EW&F fans not stand? And how does having silly fans factor into assessing the quality of the actual music?
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby K » 10 Feb 2018, 17:01

Very Stable Baron wrote:
K wrote:
Very Stable Baron wrote:Also, No Official Funk band, such as Parliament, ever came close to a "Shining Star," "That's The Way of the World," or "September," or whatever. I'll happily trade Official Funk Credibility for actual great records, if that's necessary.

I like E, W & F, but this is untrue.


You like silly Parliament records. We know. That's ok.

I also like sensible Parliament records.
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Postby K » 10 Feb 2018, 17:02

Let's not forget, EWF basically stole the P Funk live show, complete with space ship from the stars.
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Re: 60s/70s Soul Artists We Don't Like

Postby Very Stable Baron » 10 Feb 2018, 17:02

Oooh! Burn!
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