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Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Jeff K » 21 Jan 2009, 03:36

On the musical tastes thread, mission writes...

mission wrote:It has been said that if your record collection consisted only of the top 100 albums as voted by Rolling Stone magazine it would be a pretty fucked record collection but I reckon if you only owned the NME's top 100 it would be way worse.


Okey then, let's see for ourselves...

Rolling Stone's top 100...

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys
3. Revolver, The Beatles
4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan
5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles
6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye
7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
8. London Calling, The Clash
9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles
11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley
12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis
13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground
14. Abbey Road, The Beatles
15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan
17. Nevermind, Nirvana
18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen
19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison
20. Thriller, Michael Jackson
21. The Great Twenty-Eight, Chuck Berry
22. Plastic Ono Band, John Lennon
23. Innervisions, Stevie Wonder
24. Live at the Apollo (1963), James Brown
25. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac
26. The Joshua Tree, U2
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1, Robert Johnson
28. Who's Next, The Who
29. Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin
30. Blue, Joni Mitchell
31. Bringing It All Back Home, Bob Dylan
32. Let It Bleed, The Rolling Stones
33. Ramones, Ramones
34. Music From Big Pink, The Band
35. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars, David Bowie
36. Tapestry, Carole King
37. Hotel California, The Eagles
38. The Anthology, 1947 - 1972, Muddy Waters
39. Please Please Me, The Beatles
40. Forever Changes, Love
41. Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols, The Sex Pistols
42. The Doors, The Doors
43. The Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd
44. Horses, Patti Smith
45. The Band, The Band
46. Legend, Bob Marley and the Wailers
47. A Love Supreme, John Coltrane
48. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy
49. At Fillmore East, The Allman Brothers Band
50. Here's Little Richard, Little Richard
51. Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel
52. Greatest Hits, Al Green
53. The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959, Ray Charles
54. Electric Ladyland, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
55. Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley
56. Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder
57. Beggars Banquet, The Rolling Stones
58. Trout Mask Replica, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
59. Meet the Beatles, The Beatles
60. Greatest Hits, Sly and the Family Stone
61. Appetite for Destruction, Guns n' Roses
62. Achtung Baby, U2
63. Sticky Fingers, The Rolling Stones
64. Phil Spector, Back to Mono (1958 - 1969), Various Artists
65. Moondance, Van Morrison
66. Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin
67. The Stranger, Billy Joel
68. Off the Wall, Michael Jackson
69. Superfly, Curtis Mayfield
70. Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin
71. After the Gold Rush, Neil Young
72. Purple Rain, Prince
73. Back in Black, AC/DC
74. Otis Blue, Otis Redding
75. Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin
76. Imagine, John Lennon
77. The Clash, The Clash
78. Harvest, Neil Young
79. Star Time, James Brown
80. Odessey and Oracle, The Zombies
81. Graceland, Paul Simon
82. Axis: Bold as Love, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
83. I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You, Aretha Franklin
84. Lady Soul, Aretha Franklin
85. Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen
86. Let It Be, The Beatles
87. The Wall, Pink Floyd
88. At Folsom Prison, Johnny Cash
89. Dusty in Memphis, Dusty Springfield
90. Talking Book, Stevie Wonder
91. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Elton John
92. 20 Golden Greats, Buddy Holly
93. Sign 'o' the Times, Prince
94. Bitches Brew, Miles Davis
95. Green River, Creedence Clearwater Revival
96. Tommy, The Who
97. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan
98. This Year's Model, Elvis Costello
99. There's a Riot Goin' On, Sly and the Family Stone
100. In the Wee Small Hours, Frank Sinatra

New Musical Express (as of 1993)...

# PET SOUNDS The Beach Boys (Capitol, 1966)
# REVOLVER The Beatles (Parlophone, 1966)
# NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS The Sex Pistols (Virgin, 1977)
# WHAT'S GOING ON Marvin Gaye ( Tamla Motown, 1971)
# THE STONE ROSES The Stone Roses (Silvertone, 1989)
# THE VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO The Velvet Underground ( Verve, 1967)
# LONDON CALLING The Clash (CBS, 1979)
# THE BEATLES The Beatles (Apple, 1968)
# IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK Public Enemy (Def Jam, 1988)
# THE QUEEN IS DEAD The Smiths (Rough Trade, 1986)
# EXILE ON MAIN STREET The Rolling Stones (Rolling Stones,1972)
# NEVERMIND Nirvana (Geffen, 1991)
# THE CLASH The Clash (CBS, 1977)
# HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED Bob Dylan (Columbia, 1965)
# ASTRAL WEEKS Van Morrison (Warners, 1968)
# SIGN 'O' THE TIMES Prince (Paisley Park, 1987)
# BLONDE ON BLONDE Bob Dylan (Columbia, 1966)
# FOREVER CHANGES Love (Elektra, 1968)
# THREE FEET HIGH AND RISING De La Soul (Big Life 1989)
# CLOSER Joy Division (Factory, 1980)
# SCREAMADELICA Primal Scream (Creation, 1991)
# LET IT BLEED The Rolling Stones (Decca, 1969)
# AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE REM ( WEA, 1992)
# THE ELVIS PRESLEY SUN COLLECTION EIvis Presley (RCA, 1975)
# THE DOORS The Doors (Elektra, 1967)
# MARQUEE MOON Television (Elektra 1977)
# PSYCHOCANDY Jesus & Mary Chain (blanco y Negro, 1985)
# BLUE Joni Mitchell (Reprise 1972)
# ARE YOU EXPERIENCED? The Jimi Hendrix Experience ( Track 1967)
# LIVE AT THE APOLLO James Brown (London 1963)
# HORSES Patti Smtth (Arista 1975)
# INNERVISIONS Stevie Wonder (Tamla Motown 1973)
# SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS BAND The Beatles ( Parlophone, 1967)
# SONGS FOR SWINGING LOVERS Frank Sinatra (Capitol 1955)
# OTIS BLUE Otis Redding (Atcon 1966)
# A LOVE SUPREME John Coltrane (lmpulse 1967)
# FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET Pubic Enemy (Def Jam 1990)
# HUNKY DORY David Bowle (RCA 1971)
# BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE Elvis Cosleilo & The Attractions (Imp 1986)
# THE RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST AND THE SPIOERS FROM MARS David Bowie (RCA 1972)
# HATFUL OF HOLLOW The Smiths (Rough Trade 1984)
# TECHNIOUE New Order (Factory 1989)
# UNKNOWN PLEASURES Joy Division (Factory 1979)
# SURFER ROSA Pixies (4AD 1985)
# ADVENTURES BEYOND THE ULTRAWORLD The Orb ( Wau Mr Modo1991)
# SURF'S UP The Beach Boys (Stateside 1971)
# LUST FOR LIFE Iggy Pop (RCA 1977)
# BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME Bob Dylan (CBS 1965)
# WAREHOUSE: SONGS AND STORIES Husker DU ( Warners 1987)
# LOW-LIFE New Order (Factory 1985)
# MEAVEN UP HERE Echo And The Bunnymen (Korova 1987)
# PARALLEL LINES Blondie (Chrysalis 1978)
# GRIEVOUS ANGEL Gram Parsons (Reprise 1974)
# DUSTY IN MEMPHIS Dusty Springfield (Philips, 1969)
# TRANSFORMER Lou Reed (RCA 1973)
# LED ZEPPELIN IV Led Zeppelin (Atlantic. 1971)
# ALL MOD CONS The Jam (Polydor 1978)
# THE VELVET UNDERGROUND The Velvet Underground (MGM 1969)
# WE’RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY Mothers Of Invention ( MGM 1967)
# HARVEST Neil Young (1972)
# SCOTT Scott Walker (Philips 1967)
# THE STOOGES The Stooges (EIekira 1969)
# EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS KNOWHERE Neil Young (Repfise 1969)
# RUBBER SOUL The beatles (Parlophone 1967)
# GREATEST HITS Aretha Franklin (Atlantic 1971)
# AFTER THE GOLDRUSH NeiI Young (Reprise, 1970)
# LOW David Bowie ( RCA, 1977)
# REMAIN IN LIGHT Talking Heads (Sire, 1980)
# MARCUS GARVEY Burning Spear (Island, 1975)
# RAINDOGS Tom Waits (Island, 1985)
# DRY Harvey ( Too Pure, 1992)
# THE SMITHS The Smiths (Rough Trade, 1984)
# LAZER-GUIDED MELODIES Spiritualized (Dedicated, 1992)
# FIVE LEAVES LEFT Nick Drake (Island, 1969)
# CLEAR SPOT Captain Beefheart (Reprise, 1972)
# 16 LOVERS LANE The Go-Betweens (Beggars Banquet, 1988)
# PINK FLAG Wire (Harvest, 1977)
# NATTY DREAD Bob Marley (Island, 1975)
# SOUND AFFECTS The Jam (Polydor 1980)
# SlSTER Sonic Youth (Blast First 1987)
# THE WHITE ROOM The KLF (KLF Communications, 1991)
# JUNKYARD The Birthday Party (4AD, 1982)
# THE KICK INSIDE Kate Bush (EMI 1978)
# SEARCHING FOR THE YOUNG SOUL REBELS Dexy's Midnight Runners (Parlophone, 1980)
# BLOOD ON THE TRACKS Bob Dylan (CBS, 1975)
# RUM, SODOMY & THE LASH The Pogues (Stiff, 1985)
# GIVE 'EM ENOUGH ROPE The Clash (CBS, 1978)
# KING OF AMERICA Costello Show (F-Beat, 1986)
# TALKING WITH THE TAXMAN ABOUT POETRY Billy Bragg (Go! Discs, 1986)
# THIRD/SISTER LOVERS Big Star (Ardent, 1978)
# LIKE A PRAYER Madonna (Sire 1959)
# READING, WRITING AND ARITHMETIC The Sundays (Rough Trade, 1990)
# OFF THE WALL Michael Jackson (Epic 1979)
# TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT Neil Young (Reprise, 1975)
# THIS NATION'S SAVING GRACE The Fall ( Beggars Banquet 1985)
# METAL BOX PIL ( Virgin 1979)
# BLUE LINES Massive Attack ( Wild Bunch, 1991)
# YOUNGER THAN YESTERDAY The Byrds (CBS 1967)
# WHO'S NEXT? The Who ( Track 1971)
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Jeff K » 21 Jan 2009, 03:42

It's a shame I couldn't find a more recent list from NME because I doubt very much that the Stone Roses would be ranked as high as they were.

Other than the trendy bands of the moment that the NME tends to favor, the lists are pretty much similar. This must mean Matt Wilson and John Coan have more in common than they'd care to admit. :lol:
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Jeff K » 21 Jan 2009, 03:45

I chose NME's list because I couldn't pick a list that included anything from Billy Joel and keep a clear conscience.
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Kenji » 21 Jan 2009, 04:02

Jeff K, there is a NME list from 2003 here if you want to use it...
(I don't want to paste that here because this is your thread...)


About 1993 list, Jeff K wrote:It's a shame I couldn't find a more recent list from NME because I doubt very much that the Stone Roses would be ranked as high as they were.

In 2003 list Stone Roses is #1 :o
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Kenji » 21 Jan 2009, 04:08

And here's 2006

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby chunky » 21 Jan 2009, 04:13

RS. There is lotsa stuff missing, but fewer downright turkeys than NME.
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby toomanyhatz » 21 Jan 2009, 04:16

Jeff K wrote:I chose NME's list because I couldn't pick a list that included anything from Billy Joel and keep a clear conscience.


Not just Billy Joel, but Guns & Roses, Hotel California and The Wall. :evil:

Mind you, the Smiths, Stone Roses and Pistols in the top ten and Nirvana bubbling under is pretty ridiculous too. (While I like the last two, neither have any more business being up that high than Ram had in the BCB top ten.)

Tough call, but I had to go with NME in the end- more iconoclastic, even though some of the placings were ridiculously high, and some of it (Madonna? The KLF? :? ) has no more business being there than the worst of the Rolling Stone list.
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby chunky » 21 Jan 2009, 04:17

Kenji wrote:And here's 2006

Tubular bells!!! Oasis 2 AND 4!!!!!
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Kenji » 21 Jan 2009, 04:20

chunky wrote:
Kenji wrote:And here's 2006

Tubular bells!!! Oasis 2 AND 4!!!!!
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Sorry!
I just read closely - 2006 list was voted by readers but 2003 list is writers...

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Jeff K » 21 Jan 2009, 04:20

Kenji wrote:And here's 2006


Thanks Kenji.

That list is even worse than 1993's! I think Mission may have a point.
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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 21 Jan 2009, 06:54

The NME's 1985 list was a personal checklist for many years and still remains the best such poll I've ever seen.

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby the masked man » 21 Jan 2009, 10:57

The Rolling Stone list quoted in the first post denies that the whole post-punk scene (which has largely defined my musical tastes) has any worth at all. It's dominated by big 60s and 70s names, with the almost tokenist inclusion of anything that sounds modern (Public Enemy look a bit out of place, don't they?)

By comparison, the NME perhaps overstates the importance of post-punk music. It's a spunkier, spikier list, so it gets my vote, but I can't help feeling that neither tells the whole story of popular music, or comes anywhere close.

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Jeff K » 21 Jan 2009, 11:34

Lord John of Angshu wrote:The NME's 1985 list was a personal checklist for many years and still remains the best such poll I've ever seen.


Now that one I can relate to.
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Postby kewl klive » 21 Jan 2009, 11:57

Lord John of Angshu wrote:The NME's 1985 list was a personal checklist for many years and still remains the best such poll I've ever seen.



Yeah we've discussed this list here before, wonderful stuff.

Here it is

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Six String » 21 Jan 2009, 16:30

chunky wrote:RS. There is lotsa stuff missing, but fewer downright turkeys than NME.


Agreed. NME had some better choices that RS didn't have but I only counted about 5 albums on the RS list that I don't have or wouldn't own, but I lost count at 15 on the NME list. Part of that longer list was due to the larger number of rap/hip hop albums on the NME list but then they also had The Smiths but no Bob Marley and they wimped out with Aretha's Greatest Hits album instead of choosing one of several singular albums that are as good as the GH even though it is a good one as far as GH albums go.

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Matt Wilson » 21 Jan 2009, 16:34

I don't really see too much of a difference in these lists. Most all of the albums are the same ones you see time and time again in similar polls.

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 21 Jan 2009, 16:38

Lance Matthew wrote:I don't really see too much of a difference in these lists. Most all of the albums are the same ones you see time and time again in similar polls.


That did cross my mind. The differences are small, but important.

You don't usually get The Modern Dance in these kinds of lists, for example. And albums like Ziggy Stardust, Sgt. Pepper's...., Born To Run and Let It Bleed - mainstays in pretty much every critics' list I've seen - are conspicuous by their absence in the 1985 NME thing.

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Re: Rolling Stone or New Musical Express?

Postby Matt Wilson » 21 Jan 2009, 16:42

Lord John of Angshu wrote:
Lance Matthew wrote:I don't really see too much of a difference in these lists. Most all of the albums are the same ones you see time and time again in similar polls.


That did cross my mind. The differences are small, but important.

You don't usually get The Modern Dance in these kinds of lists, for example. And albums like Ziggy Stardust, Sgt. Pepper's...., Born To Run and Let It Bleed - mainstays in pretty much every critics' list I've seen - are conspicuous by their absence in the 1985 NME thing.


I'll take your word for it on the missing LPs, I only glanced at the '85 NME poll for about thirty seconds, but only Madness' Mad Not Mad raised an eyebrow.
And I've seen The Modern Dance on plenty of lists by the way. It's usually the only Pere Ubu record one ever finds in such polls. Occasionally the second album, too.