toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Jeff K wrote:Nick's still the man! No one has been as consistent as he has been over such a long period of time.
Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
Dr Modernist wrote:Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
Yeah, it's a shame Dave doesn't get this stuff. It's not that hard, it's just about giving in to the idea of pop music as something flashy and brash rather than the idea that everything has to be crafted and serious and laboured all the time. That's why we have to keep returning to 80's pop threads because in terms of differences, conflicting values, lack of consensus, it provides more interesting discussion than any other decade.
Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
The Prof wrote:Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
Aye - thing about the 80's is that the bad stuff was terrible but the good stuff was so diverse.
At the risk of sounding like an old git, indie bands these days all try to ape a distinct 'indie' sound and look.
20 years ago there was stuff as diverse as the Redskins to the Sex Gang Children and everything inbetween.
The Prof wrote:
At the risk of sounding like an old git, indie bands these days all try to ape a distinct 'indie' sound and look.
lividlunch wrote:Anyone who actually knows anything about music will also know that "indie" is not a genre: it's a category invented by people who want to sell records.
Diamond Dog wrote:...it quite clearly hit the target with you and your nonce...
...a multitude of innuendo and hearsay...
...I'm producing facts here...
the masked man wrote:6. UB40 - Please Don't Make Me Cry: Doesn't work at all. Sounds fake.
neville harp wrote:In the past 30 years indie has changed from signifing a record labels independance from the major labels means of production, art department, press and marketing to meaning four boys with guitars scrubbing away. These bands, ironically, usually reside on a subsiduary of a major label. The Masked Man has a good term for this lot - landfill indie. It does not mean that there is no decent music being made on independant labels or that there is not a wider diversity today than in the early 80s ( there is certainly much more music out there and available - too much ? ) it's just that indie is now a genre with it's own uniform and tropes which have been marketed by the NME etc as a rebellious alternative to silly old pop music.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.
penk! wrote:neville harp wrote:In the past 30 years indie has changed from signifing a record labels independance from the major labels means of production, art department, press and marketing to meaning four boys with guitars scrubbing away. These bands, ironically, usually reside on a subsiduary of a major label. The Masked Man has a good term for this lot - landfill indie. It does not mean that there is no decent music being made on independant labels or that there is not a wider diversity today than in the early 80s ( there is certainly much more music out there and available - too much ? ) it's just that indie is now a genre with it's own uniform and tropes which have been marketed by the NME etc as a rebellious alternative to silly old pop music.
To be fair I think that is definitely a British phenomenon and as you say strongly linked to the NME and the bands it champions. In the US or Europe the term "indie" still tends to cover a much wider range of music.
Molony wrote:I'd give that album a listen for nostalgic reasons if nothing else. There are some tracks on there I really like.
lividlunch wrote:penk! wrote:neville harp wrote:In the past 30 years indie has changed from signifing a record labels independance from the major labels means of production, art department, press and marketing to meaning four boys with guitars scrubbing away. These bands, ironically, usually reside on a subsiduary of a major label. The Masked Man has a good term for this lot - landfill indie. It does not mean that there is no decent music being made on independant labels or that there is not a wider diversity today than in the early 80s ( there is certainly much more music out there and available - too much ? ) it's just that indie is now a genre with it's own uniform and tropes which have been marketed by the NME etc as a rebellious alternative to silly old pop music.
To be fair I think that is definitely a British phenomenon and as you say strongly linked to the NME and the bands it champions. In the US or Europe the term "indie" still tends to cover a much wider range of music.
I.e., the term "indie" has lost much, if not all of the meaning it once had.
fange wrote:One of the things i really dislike in this life is people raising their voices in German.
shortfatb wrote:Any idea what the value of a mint original of Volume 1 would be?
Dr Modernist wrote:Nick wrote:toomanyhatz wrote:Worst era for pop music in my (or your, or anybody's) lifetime.
Pah, getthefuckouttahere. The early 80s was a brilliant time for wonderfully weird pop.
Yeah, it's a shame Dave doesn't get this stuff. It's not that hard, it's just about giving in to the idea of pop music as something flashy and brash rather than the idea that everything has to be crafted and serious and laboured all the time. That's why we have to keep returning to 80's pop threads because in terms of differences, conflicting values, lack of consensus, it provides more interesting discussion than any other decade.
Footy wrote:
The Who / Jimi Hendrix Experience Saville Theatre, London Jan '67
. Got Jimi's autograph after the show and went on to see him several times that year
penk! wrote:neville harp wrote:In the past 30 years indie has changed from signifing a record labels independance from the major labels means of production, art department, press and marketing to meaning four boys with guitars scrubbing away. These bands, ironically, usually reside on a subsiduary of a major label. The Masked Man has a good term for this lot - landfill indie. It does not mean that there is no decent music being made on independant labels or that there is not a wider diversity today than in the early 80s ( there is certainly much more music out there and available - too much ? ) it's just that indie is now a genre with it's own uniform and tropes which have been marketed by the NME etc as a rebellious alternative to silly old pop music.
To be fair I think that is definitely a British phenomenon and as you say strongly linked to the NME and the bands it champions. In the US or Europe the term "indie" still tends to cover a much wider range of music.
Brother Spoon wrote:I would probably enjoy this record more if it came to me in a brown paper bag filled with manure, instead of this richly illustrated disgrace to my eyes.
the masked man wrote:
I'm starting to feel optimstic about 2009, truth to tell.