What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Goat Boy » 06 Jan 2009, 20:58

Gotta agree with Snarf regarding Triad. It's creepy as hell in a way and very old fashioned. It doesn't help that the singer now looks like a blown up Hobo in my mind either. Nevertheless the music is exquisite.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby The Modernist » 06 Jan 2009, 21:01

Snarfyguy wrote:
Molony wrote:It's about a threesome yeah? Well, it was the Sixties...

Yeah, but it's the way it's about a threesome that's creepy. It's not just an invitation for some fun in the sack, but rather a proposal for what's essentially bigamy.

And it's just so self-serving that of course the proposed three-way consists of the Croz and two chicks (rather than the Croz and a chick and another guy).


I'm with the Croz on that. Who would prefer a threesome with another guy ffs?
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Sneelock » 06 Jan 2009, 21:04

I love "Triad"! it's like "Okie From Muskogie"!
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Clarkophile » 06 Jan 2009, 21:05

Utter godhead.

And of course, now that it's been confirmed Gene Clark co-wrote 'Get To You', the album is beyond reproach. :)

'Natural Harmony' may be the most breathtaking thing they ever did.

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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Matt Wilson » 06 Jan 2009, 21:07

I never had a problem with "Triad." The music is gorgeous and the sentiment is just another '60s thing-of-its-time which you can take or leave depending on your mood.
The Airplane did it well too and by giving it to Grace to sing it subverted Crosby's misogyny just enough to make it palatable.

As for the album itself, it's all classic except for the first and last songs.
"Lady Friend" should've been on it as well.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Matt Wilson » 06 Jan 2009, 21:09

Clarkophile wrote:Utter godhead.

And of course, now that it's been confirmed Gene Clark co-wrote 'Get To You', the album is beyond reproach. :)

'Natural Harmony' may be the most breathtaking thing they ever did.


Gene also provided vocals (background? harmony? I dunno) to some of those songs. He briefly joined the group for a week or whatever during the recording of that LP and then jumped ship again before its completion.
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Postby Stirling Moss » 06 Jan 2009, 21:11

Lance Matthew wrote:As for the album itself, it's all classic except for the first and last songs.
"Lady Friend" should've been on it as well.


Whaat?!!
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Stirling Moss » 06 Jan 2009, 21:11

Lance Matthew wrote:
Clarkophile wrote:Utter godhead.

And of course, now that it's been confirmed Gene Clark co-wrote 'Get To You', the album is beyond reproach. :)

'Natural Harmony' may be the most breathtaking thing they ever did.


Gene also provided vocals (background? harmony? I dunno) to some of those songs. He briefly joined the group for a week or whatever during the recording of that LP and then jumped ship again before its completion.



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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Snarfyguy » 06 Jan 2009, 21:13

Lance Matthew wrote:Gene also provided vocals (background? harmony? I dunno) to some of those songs. He briefly joined the group for a week or whatever during the recording of that LP and then jumped ship again before its completion.

Wikipedia says he was sacked.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Quaco » 06 Jan 2009, 21:15

Lance Matthew wrote:I never had a problem with "Triad." The music is gorgeous and the sentiment is just another '60s thing-of-its-time which you can take or leave depending on your mood.
The Airplane did it well too and by giving it to Grace to sing it subverted Crosby's misogyny just enough to make it palatable.

The version I first heard was Crosby's solo version on Four Way Street, which is slow, aching, and quiet, like some of the stuff on his solo album. Like he's really seducing them by the fireside. When I finally heard The Byrds version, it sounded so peppy by comparison, it had no emotion. In fact, that cute little self-satisfied yelp he does each chorus ("Saying to meee--") actually bugged me. I still don't like that version as much.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Clarkophile » 06 Jan 2009, 21:16

He did rejoin for three weeks in Oct./Nov. '67, but the extent of his actual involvement in the recording is disputed. Someone in the Rose Garden told Einarson that he was seen recording background vocals to 'Goin' Back', or whatever it was. I dunno. Can't say I can hear his voice distinctly.

Have you seen those clips of him on YouTube lip-syncing to 'Goin' Back' and such from that period? He's got that Byrd-caught-in-the-headlights look.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Matt Wilson » 06 Jan 2009, 21:17

Wow, that's great Tom -- thanks for that.

McGuinn sure looks like Terry Melcher in that video.
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Postby Stirling Moss » 06 Jan 2009, 21:18

Lance Matthew wrote:Wow, that's great Tom -- thanks for that.

McGuinn sure looks like Terry Melcher in that video.



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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Matt Wilson » 06 Jan 2009, 21:20

wlf smth wrote:
Lance Matthew wrote:Wow, that's great Tom -- thanks for that.

McGuinn sure looks like Terry Melcher in that video.



:evil:


Shit, Mark -- I'm sorry.
I thought Tom posted that.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Clarkophile » 06 Jan 2009, 21:22

Snarfyguy wrote:
Lance Matthew wrote:Gene also provided vocals (background? harmony? I dunno) to some of those songs. He briefly joined the group for a week or whatever during the recording of that LP and then jumped ship again before its completion.

Wikipedia says he was sacked.

I think everyone, including Gene, realized it just wasn't going to work out. His nervous anxiety was too debilitating. The "fear of flying" excuse, in my opinion, was just a euphemistic catch-all phrase for his condition(s), which by this time included a growing dependence on alcohol to get over the fears and anxieties which inhibited his ability to be a functioning member of the Byrds, and, in the following year, Dillard & Clark.

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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby Clarkophile » 06 Jan 2009, 21:29

Has anyone picked up the new book, So You Want To Be a Rock and Roll Star? The Byrds diary?
Although there's some factual errors, it's very interesting stuff. So many huge events occurred within days/weeks of each other. It's fascinating to see it all laid out chronologically, especially the events surrounding the Notorious sessions.

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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby chunky » 06 Jan 2009, 21:47

My fave Byrds album. And I like all of them.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby whodathunkit » 06 Jan 2009, 23:06

Came late to this and you've all said what needs saying. But I'll say it again anyway

1. Their best album
2. Yes, it should have had Lady Friend on it - their best track ever.
3. Re-Triad. How come it's pervy and creepy when old walrus-face sings it but sexy as hell when Grace Slick gets hold of it? Rhetorical question.
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Re: What do we think of: 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers'?

Postby toomanypillowz » 07 Jan 2009, 00:08

whodathunkit wrote: 3. Re-Triad. How come it's pervy and creepy when old walrus-face sings it but sexy as hell when Grace Slick gets hold of it? Rhetorical question.


Because she's hot, and he's not? :lol:
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Postby Sneelock » 07 Jan 2009, 00:12

it's a theory!


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