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Re: West Coast punk

Postby sloopjohnc » 21 Dec 2008, 16:04

Jeff K wrote:
the mad elf wrote:The great bands always seem to defy genre while the second string get lumped. Garage+music press = punk. LA/west coast served up X, The minutemen and few others. I may be too old :o for hardcore but you could do no wrong looking at these 2 bands.


John's already given X a go and he didn't like them. I don't know if he's heard the Minutemen but knowing him, he won't like them either.

He should check out Cleveland's punk scene instead. More his style.


I was thinking the same thing the other day. Pere Ubu and Rocket from the Tombs might go over better.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby COLIN LAND » 27 Jul 2017, 12:20

Matt Wilson wrote:The comp Feeb posted is fine but there are plenty of great albums by California punk bands as well.
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And that's just the late '70s/early '80s. And yes, I slipped a few compilations in there.


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Re: West Coast punk

Postby The Modernist » 27 Jul 2017, 17:41

I like Brett Anderson's quote on US punk.
"I don't understand why American music has to be so aggressive and military. Look at Henry Rollins; he's like a Sergeant Major or something".
Kind of sums up how I've always felt.

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby George P. Smackers » 27 Jul 2017, 18:11

The Modernist wrote:I like Brett Anderson's quote on US punk.
"I don't understand why American music has to be so aggressive and military. Look at Henry Rollins; he's like a Sergeant Major or something".
Kind of sums up how I've always felt.


People love their nationalistic generalizations, don't they.

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 18:20

Trouble is that the sweep from West Coast 77 through to SST 84 has just as good a haul of bands/tunes as London 76 to UK Post Punk.

The aggression is there, but it's an incoherent, ironic one. Rollins in 81 was a far different beast than he became in Suede's time.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby sloopjohnc » 27 Jul 2017, 18:22

The Modernist wrote:I like Brett Anderson's quote on US punk.
"I don't understand why American music has to be so aggressive and military. Look at Henry Rollins; he's like a Sergeant Major or something".
Kind of sums up how I've always felt.


That's one guy, Rollins.

As a counter, I'd pick Black Flag's original singer, Keith Morris, as an example. Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Off!. Anything but militaristic and fronted two seminal west coast punk bands and a pretty badass later band.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 18:27

Brett Anderson's knowledge of Hardcore and its transformation is likely to be zero.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby Matt Wilson » 27 Jul 2017, 18:28

George P. Smackers wrote:
The Modernist wrote:I like Brett Anderson's quote on US punk.
"I don't understand why American music has to be so aggressive and military. Look at Henry Rollins; he's like a Sergeant Major or something".
Kind of sums up how I've always felt.


People love their nationalistic generalizations, don't they.


Consider the source.

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby The Modernist » 27 Jul 2017, 21:35

The Savage Young Gash wrote:Trouble is that the sweep from West Coast 77 through to SST 84 has just as good a haul of bands/tunes as London 76 to UK Post Punk.

The aggression is there, but it's an incoherent, ironic one. Rollins in 81 was a far different beast than he became in Suede's time.


Beast being the operative word. ;)

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 21:41

I believe he modelled himself on early period Mark Hollis x
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby Goat Boy » 27 Jul 2017, 21:43

The Savage Young Gash wrote:Trouble is that the sweep from West Coast 77 through to SST 84 has just as good a haul of bands/tunes as London 76 to UK Post Punk.


really?

From what I've heard of this stuff it doesn't impress me much
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby sloopjohnc » 27 Jul 2017, 21:44

The Savage Young Gash wrote:Brett Anderson's knowledge of Hardcore and its transformation is likely to be zero.


As is Moddie's and why he conveniently cites him as a source.

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby Goat Boy » 27 Jul 2017, 21:50

It's a funny quote though
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 21:52

Goat Boy wrote:
The Savage Young Gash wrote:Trouble is that the sweep from West Coast 77 through to SST 84 has just as good a haul of bands/tunes as London 76 to UK Post Punk.


really?

From what I've heard of this stuff it doesn't impress me much


I think it suffers from the familiarity we all have with its kiddies - grunge, pop-punk.

I'm not sure you can get the impact of the originators, the genies out of the bottle when a Kelly Clarkson record or something has a riff straight out of Govt. Issue.

The truly great groups - Huskers, Meat Puppets, Minutemen (and you should all listen to 'What Makes a Man Start Fires' first), Replacements, Black Flag (nowt after 84), Descendents, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, DK's and more - are as vital as any UKers.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby COLIN LAND » 27 Jul 2017, 21:52

Goat Boy wrote:
The Savage Young Gash wrote:Trouble is that the sweep from West Coast 77 through to SST 84 has just as good a haul of bands/tunes as London 76 to UK Post Punk.


really?

From what I've heard of this stuff it doesn't impress me much


It's cobblers mostly.

But you should hear Flipper. And The Descendents.

And maybe some Minutemen.
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Re: West Coast punk

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Re: West Coast punk

Postby Goat Boy » 27 Jul 2017, 21:59

I should listen to more Meat Puppets. I really like what I've heard.

I have tried Black Flag, X, Fear and Minor Threat but nothing really stuck. Some of it was terrible I recall.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 22:01

The thing is, and I had this magic ta-da! moment about 10 years ago, is that I really don't mind if no one else hears it. I liken it to a scenario where someone tries to convince me that all that shite post-Wilco wank, from John Grant and The Decemberists to whatever crap Uncut is pushing - Hiss Golden Messenger? - is good.
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby kewl klive » 27 Jul 2017, 22:03

And if you play the first Meat Puppets LP @ 33 it sounds exactly like Happy Mondays :)
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Re: West Coast punk

Postby COLIN LAND » 27 Jul 2017, 22:08

Goat Boy wrote:I should listen to more Meat Puppets. I really like what I've heard.

I have tried Black Flag, X, Fear and Minor Threat but nothing really stuck. Some of it was terrible I recall.


There's one Meat Puppets album I really like - can't remember which. Maybe the second. Gash could help out.

I've tried with X a thousand times - you always get Wilson or hatz talking about how all four albums are equally great - but there's hardly a decent song on any of 'em. Apart from 'White Girl'! 'White Girl' is excellent.

I quite like some Fear. I got into them years ago because I read this:

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(which is great btw)

and Belushi was a HUGE fan, almost obsessive. They're aggressive and a little goes a long way, but this is something that will probably always give me a wee kick:



Rubbish, tho', yeah? :lol:

Minor Threat and Black Flag are horrible.
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