BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

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Song Cycle

Poll ended at 22 Dec 2008, 21:45

Into the hall it goes!
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28%
Does not suck
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72%
 
Total votes: 25

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Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 15 Dec 2008, 23:09

It's one of those LPs where i like the idea much more than the actuality. It's just too diffuse - it never coagulates y'know ? Nothing connects, there doesn't seem to be an overarching thread to pull it all together and help the listener. I think the two that follow are easier to listen to ( ah the steel drums ) but seem less visionary. Does it suck ? Er.......
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby sloopjohnc » 16 Dec 2008, 00:26

There should be a "on some days I really like it and some days I wonder how I ever thought that" option.
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Quaco » 16 Dec 2008, 02:31

I actually agree with everything that's been said so far on this thread. This comes closest to what I would say:
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby the masked man » 16 Dec 2008, 13:51

I've never heard this, but the descriptions from the naysayers actually make me want to listen to it. I think I'll investigate...

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Goat Boy » 16 Dec 2008, 14:00

I bought this when I was going through a SMiLE period. Bits are good but overall it is less than the sum of its parts but it deffo doesn't suck.
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Matt Wilson » 16 Dec 2008, 16:07

A little of it goes a long way and I'd definitely want a remastered version as the current CD is a bit hissy but no, it doesn't exactly "suck."
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Postby The Modernist » 16 Dec 2008, 16:26

the three masked men wrote:I've never heard this, but the descriptions from the naysayers actually make me want to listen to it. I think I'll investigate...


It always reminds me of Peter Skellern Andrew..which is a warning of sorts I suppose. I always want to like the record and some of the descriptions of it are always so fascinating that I always return to it with a fresh sense of expectation..only to be disappointed again.
Actually I am happy for it to escape (as it looks like doing) the hall of suck, as it's, if nothing else, hugely ambitious and has to receive some credit for its sheer audacity.
At this point I'm not sure if it's good but I just can't hear its craft, if it's not very good but has a certain idiosyncratic charm which makes it worthwhile anyway or if its just a disaster of a record which is getting a soft ride because of its chutzpah.

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby The Modernist » 16 Dec 2008, 16:55

Actually the above somes up my reaction to it perfectly and saves me another 20 years (I bought it about a decade ago) of trying to connect with it.

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby toomanypillowz » 16 Dec 2008, 19:07

Of course it doesn't "suck." In fact, it's a work of genius. Is this a joke?
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby toomanypillowz » 16 Dec 2008, 19:40

Davey the Jolly Fat Man wrote:
bixhenry wrote:But a "sexless listen?" If that's your criterion, VDP is certainly the wrong place to even attempt to find it.


I was being a bit facetious. Ultimately I was simply acusing it of being a bit cerebral.


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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby never/ever » 16 Dec 2008, 23:18

Whaaaaaat? VDP in the Hall Of Suck? No way!

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Dec 2008, 15:42

So I pulled it out and gave it a listen. I'm going to keep my vote of 'does not suck" in place as it truly does not suck.

I think it is an album that demands to be approached differently than a pop record. Not long ago we had a discussion of the White Album here and several BCB'ers were talking about the beauty of Revolution #9. I think you have to listen to Song Cycle with the same kind of ear you'd lend to that track. If you let it wash over you, it is actually a lot of fun.
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby toomanypillowz » 17 Dec 2008, 18:25

Davey the Jolly Fat Man wrote:So I pulled it out and gave it a listen. I'm going to keep my vote of 'does not suck" in place as it truly does not suck.

I think it is an album that demands to be approached differently than a pop record. Not long ago we had a discussion of the White Album here and several BCB'ers were talking about the beauty of Revolution #9. I think you have to listen to Song Cycle with the same kind of ear you'd lend to that track. If you let it wash over you, it is actually a lot of fun.


It's a great record, and absolutely is not a pop record. One should approach it like a soundtrack, which is kind of what it is - a soundtrack to Americana. You'll hear Stephen Foster and Gershwin in the mix. And it IS fun, which I think a lot of people miss. It makes me feel like I'm taking the Mark Twain in Disneyland and being shown the make believe version of New Orleans and Frontierland.
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Snarfyguy » 17 Dec 2008, 18:32

toomanymistletoes wrote:It makes me feel like I'm taking the Mark Twain in Disneyland and being shown the make believe version of New Orleans and Frontierland.

Yeah, except for that that *sucks* and Song Cycle does not!
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby toomanypillowz » 17 Dec 2008, 18:53

Snarfyguy wrote:
toomanymistletoes wrote:It makes me feel like I'm taking the Mark Twain in Disneyland and being shown the make believe version of New Orleans and Frontierland.

Yeah, except for that that *sucks* and Song Cycle does not!


Heh. I'm a Disneyland geek, so I have a different perspective (vintage Disneyland; the new Disneyland DOES suck!).

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Clippernolan » 17 Dec 2008, 22:00

toomanymistletoes wrote:
Davey the Jolly Fat Man wrote:
bixhenry wrote:But a "sexless listen?" If that's your criterion, VDP is certainly the wrong place to even attempt to find it.


I was being a bit facetious. Ultimately I was simply acusing it of being a bit cerebral.


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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby mentalist (slight return) » 17 Dec 2008, 22:22

I'm open minded to different music but I just don't like this album at all. I can't recall it that well so I'll reserve my judgement and sling Song Cycle on tonight.
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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Neige » 18 Dec 2008, 07:34

Sir John Coan wrote:I quite like it, parts of it at least. And I really like Van Dyke Parks.


Same here.

It never clicked with me the way, say, Discover America or Orange Crate Art did. I always felt more admiration for the "wunderkind" aspect than actual fondness.

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Jan 2018, 07:39

I'm not often in the mood for it, but it decidedly Does Not Suck. Apparently I voted at the time but didn't comment.

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Re: BCB Hall of Suck: Song Cycle

Postby Charlie O. » 09 Jan 2018, 15:09

Was it Brother Spoon did a brilliant write-up on this in another thread? I think so. Trying to find that thread on an iPhone is more trouble than I’m willing to take on at present, though.
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