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David Bowie vs Neil Young

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 12 Nov 2017, 10:59

Moleskin wrote:Much as I love Neil, he's spent the last 20 years making basically the same two albums, a country one and a Crazy Horse one, in alternation. And the songs just haven't been there. Maybe he should take a decade off and come back when he's inspired.


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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Moleskin » 12 Nov 2017, 11:00

That was my last too.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Beatles » 12 Nov 2017, 12:13

The Modernist wrote:
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The Modernist wrote:Bowie used to be quite underappreciated on BCB. I used to feel in a minority defending him back then. These days we're more balanced in our view of him.

As for NY I think he offers something quite unique and valuable, I get the love from that viewpoint, but I don't think he's a particular strong songwriter.


I think he's every bit as good a songwriter as Bowie.


I think I'd struggle to name 10 NY songs that have really impacted upon the wider public consciousness.


Me too. But I'd be able to name 10 NY songs that show he's a very good songwriter!
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Pansy Puff » 12 Nov 2017, 12:32

Moleskin wrote:That was my last too.

Think it was my last one too.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 13:18

The Modernist wrote:I think I'd struggle to name 10 NY songs that have really impacted upon the wider public consciousness.

I think I can come up with 10 pretty easily.

'Mr. Soul'
'Cinnamon Girl'
'Heart of Gold'
'Ohio'
'The Needle and the Damage Done'
'Old Man'
'Like A Hurricane'
'Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)'
'Harvest Moon'
'Over and Over'
'Rockin' in the Free World'

I'd say all of these have pretty much become rock standards, beloved all over the world.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Beatles » 12 Nov 2017, 13:26

'Mr. Soul', 'Ohio' and 'Over and Over'?

Not sure about 'Hey, Hey...' either.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 13:34

Mr Soul hardly qualifies as a great song, it might be a great performance. But it's basically just a garage song that heavily leans on 'Satisfaction'. I like it as a record, but come on..
You're on safer ground with the rest of the list, but I'd still question some of it. Do people really like "Rockin' in the Free World" that much?

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 13:38

You may be right, but i remember hearing even these 3 a lot on the classic rock stations. 'Over and Over' especially was a much loved track in Melbourne when it came out, as was the whole Ragged Glory album.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 13:44

The Modernist wrote:Mr Soul hardly qualifies as a great song, it might be a great performance. But it's basically just a garage song that heavily leans on 'Satisfaction'. I like it as a record, but come on..
You're on safer ground with the rest of the list, but I'd still question some of it. Do people really like "Rockin' in the Free World" that much?

Are they great songs, that's a different question. 'Rockin' definitely made it well into the public consciousness though, i think. Got a lot of radio play and on MTV.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 13:45

I'd never heard 'Over and Over' till five minutes ago! It just sounds like very mainstream rock of the time. Not something I'd base any claims of artistic greatness on. But Neil Young has always had a pass on BCB, he's not held to the same scrutiny we give others for some reason.

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 13:49

No, 'Rockin' in the Free World' got heaps of exposure on MTV and other music video type shows.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 13:53

The Modernist wrote:I'd never heard 'Over and Over' till five minutes ago! It just sounds like very mainstream rock of the time. Not something I'd base any claims of artistic greatness on. But Neil Young has always had a pass on BCB, he's not held to the same scrutiny we give others for some reason.


That's just because you were too busy with your Charlatans and Inner City singles to listen to it, G! The Ragged Glory album and its singles made a big impression in heaps countries and revitalized NY's image for the '90s kids.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 13:54

fange wrote:No, 'Rockin' in the Free World' got heaps of exposure on MTV and other music video type shows.


Yeah I know. I thought you were talking about Mr Soul, which is why I deleted.

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 13:58

fange wrote:
The Modernist wrote:I'd never heard 'Over and Over' till five minutes ago! It just sounds like very mainstream rock of the time. Not something I'd base any claims of artistic greatness on. But Neil Young has always had a pass on BCB, he's not held to the same scrutiny we give others for some reason.


That's just because you were too busy with your Charlatans and Inner City singles to listen to it, G! The Ragged Glory album and its singles made a big impression in heaps countries and revitalized NY's image for the '90s kids.


Just looked it up on wiki and it didn't chart anywhere! Not even a minor hit.

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 14:03

Ragged Glory?

Let's see - wiki says it reached no. 20 in Canada, 15 in the UK and 31 in the US.

And of the singles, 'Mansion on the Hill' got to #3 and 'Over and Over' #33 in the US.

That's still pretty successful and in the public eye for my money; and rock music was still 'big' then, you know.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 14:05

No, 'Over and Over' !

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 14:07

fange wrote:Ragged Glory?

'Over and Over' #33 in the US.


Only in the specialist rock chart, not in the main Billboard one.

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 14:09

The Modernist wrote:No, 'Over and Over' !

You're such a cynic! :) Just because it wasn't a number 1 US hit, doesn't mean it didn't make a big impression on a lot of people.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 12 Nov 2017, 14:13

fange wrote:
The Modernist wrote:No, 'Over and Over' !

You're such a cynic! :) Just because it wasn't a number 1 US hit, doesn't mean it didn't make a big impression on a lot of people Aussies living in Hong Kong.


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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby fange » 12 Nov 2017, 14:15

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