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David Bowie vs Neil Young

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby jimboo » 15 Nov 2017, 20:15

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Of course there is. It’s just repetitive...which is a strength.



And right there, the whole ridiculousness of this stance , unravels.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 15 Nov 2017, 21:06

jimboo wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Of course there is. It’s just repetitive...which is a strength.



And right there, the whole ridiculousness of this stance , unravels.


Repetition can’t be a strength?
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby bobzilla77 » 15 Nov 2017, 21:10

jimboo wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Of course there is. It’s just repetitive...which is a strength.



And right there, the whole ridiculousness of this stance , unravels.


Well if you can't stand repetition then Neil Young may not be for you, I think that's fair. The whole Germanic-composer thing of a composition constantly becoming, becoming, altering, building, evolving, ever becoming, is not what Neil is all about. His thing is more like a funk thing, being stuck in a spot, and seeing what you can do there.

Bowie was absolutely more Germanic - hell he even has a "Berlin" period.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 15 Nov 2017, 21:34

Folks on this site talk about “I Feel Love” as if it’s the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

Wonder if they’ve noticed how repetitive it is, both melodically and lyrically?
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby The Modernist » 15 Nov 2017, 21:42

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Folks on this site talk about “I Feel Love” as if it’s the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

Wonder if they’ve noticed how repetitive it is, both melodically and lyrically?


The synth modulations underneath the vocal melody gradually change. That's the whole point - that's what gives it that incredible transcendence.

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 15 Nov 2017, 21:49

The Modernist wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Folks on this site talk about “I Feel Love” as if it’s the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

Wonder if they’ve noticed how repetitive it is, both melodically and lyrically?


The synth modulations underneath the vocal melody gradually change. That's the whole point - that's what gives it that incredible transcendence.


So...great synth pad...horrible song?
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Goat Boy » 15 Nov 2017, 21:52

It’s a dance song that is supposed to induce a translike ecstasy so obviously it uses repetition with subtle modulations to do this.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby sloopjohnc » 15 Nov 2017, 23:02

Darryl Strawberry wrote:Davey is right. We move in certain circles. I am amazed at what the people I work with don't know. (And they are with me, when they discuss something that's been on constant rotation on Radio One)


Thank you. We're the weirdos. Not everyone else. I don't know why one of us has to remind us of this every so often.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby sloopjohnc » 15 Nov 2017, 23:05

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Dr. E. PLATE wrote:'Helpless' is one of the worst things I've ever heard by anybody.


Anyone who thinks Life on Mars is a better melody than Helpless knows nothing about melody.


:lol:

Someone take away his turntable.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Robert » 15 Nov 2017, 23:10

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
jimboo wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Of course there is. It’s just repetitive...which is a strength.



And right there, the whole ridiculousness of this stance , unravels.


Repetition can’t be a strength?


https://youtu.be/l2c73wQH73U

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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 01:02

Goat Boy wrote:It’s a dance song that is supposed to induce a translike ecstasy so obviously it uses repetition with subtle modulations to do this.


And Helpless is a folk song with some gospel touches. It’s supposed to induce a feeling of fragility and transcendence. It uses repitition and subtle musical variations to do this.

:roll:
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby naughty boy » 16 Nov 2017, 01:05

:lol:

I think you’ve lost this one D old bean.

Concede defeat and we’ll all respect you in the morning :)
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby toomanyhatz » 16 Nov 2017, 01:40

It's Bowie. On BCB.

I agree there's a pretty general consensus here on those particular songs, but the overall battle is still pretty close. Even though it's Bowie. On BCB.

Don't agree in this particular case, but I respect the guy for standing his ground. Passions run high! It's not like he's arguing for the Eagles! (Though of course he has :lol: .)
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 02:10

Yeah...it’s really killing me that a bunch of folks who think The Smiths make a better noise than Ray Charles don’t agree with me again. What will I do to get over the rejection?!!?

In all seriousness though...this was a pretty good discussion!
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Goat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 09:04

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:It’s a dance song that is supposed to induce a translike ecstasy so obviously it uses repetition with subtle modulations to do this.


And Helpless is a folk song with some gospel touches. It’s supposed to induce a feeling of fragility and transcendence. It uses repitition and subtle musical variations to do this.

:roll:


And fails utterly. The effect is soporific and I don't hear any variations that actually induce the transcendence you describe.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 09:20

...which is why it is beloved by millions.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Goat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 09:26

Well millions find Coldplay transcendent too
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 09:51

:roll:

Yeah...Neil Young = Coldplay.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Nov 2017, 09:59

Goat Boy wrote: The effect is soporific and I don't hear any variations that actually induce the transcendence you describe.


I don’t think your inability to discern should be held against the song.
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Re: David Bowie vs Neil Young

Postby Osgood » 16 Nov 2017, 10:00

Davey the Fat Boy wrote::roll:

Yeah...Neil Young = Coldplay.


No, but the millions argument is not relevant.
Probably it's not the right moment, but I'd bet a poll on NY songs here would place Helpless out of the top 20.
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