The Fall vs Richard Thompson

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The Fall
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Richard Thompson
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50%
 
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Postby The Modernist » 14 Jun 2006, 23:42

the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.

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Postby Clippernolan » 14 Jun 2006, 23:45

The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.


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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 14 Jun 2006, 23:46

The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.


It's true. A Van Der Graaf Generator fan, too. He's always been a bundle of contradictions, that fella.

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Postby The Modernist » 14 Jun 2006, 23:49

the name is Coan wrote:
The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.


It's true. A Van Der Graaf Generator fan, too. He's always been a bundle of contradictions, that fella.


Let's just say he follows in an English Blakean tradition of Romantic visionaries John!

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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 15 Jun 2006, 00:16

The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:
The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.


It's true. A Van Der Graaf Generator fan, too. He's always been a bundle of contradictions, that fella.


Let's just say he follows in an English Blakean tradition of Romantic visionaries John!


Indeed, G! Altho' he's been quoted as saying (a little stupidly) as 'Blake was a much better painter than a poet'. A similar comment was made about one of his other heroes, Wyndham Lewis.

Actually some of his early lyrics - 'Leave The Capitol', for example - are influenced a little by Blake. Really great stuff.

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Postby Livet » 15 Jun 2006, 02:37

the name is Coan wrote:They're not especially relevant today, but time and again, on record at least, they come up with the goods and are still astonishingly consistent. I doubt very much RT does the same.


This is where you're making your mistake. I actually prefer Thompson's solo work over Fairport and his stuff with Linda. The most recent CDs I got from him were in 2003 (the Old Kit Bag and More Guitar) both were more than consistent, and More Guitar was superb. I saw him live this year and a couple years ago - great shows. The man still has it (big time).
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Postby take5_d_shorterer » 15 Jun 2006, 06:11

Snarfyguy wrote:
Baron Bona Fide wrote:Have you people ever heard a Richard Thompson record?


I got that Shoot Out the Lights album pretty recently, but I only played the first side because the production was so vile.


I see. This means that you didn't get to the first song on side 2, which is "Shoot Out the Lights". There's a reason the album is named after this particular track.

I think I first heard about this album through something Lou Reed said, something like he didn't think people played guitar like that anymore. The official quote goes like this:

Lou Reed wrote:"I thought the guitar playing on 'Shoot Out The Lights' was really really good. I was absolutely stunned when I heard it..."
http://www.thebeesknees.com/bk-rt-bi.html


This is just about the same time that Reed himself released The Blue Mask (well, co-released with Robert Quine), and so, naturally, like anyone with half an ear, I listened up. I was half-expecting "White Light/White Heat". Of course, what it sounds like is completely different, but you could see why Reed liked this stuff. The guitar playing is as ferocious as Gang of Four (cf. "Anthrax". You could tell I was in a feedback kind of mode at that time.) but more complex.

Snarfyguy wrote:Great albums don't sound like this.


Can you be a little more specific? I have my own opinions about the production, but I'd like to hear what you think about it. What do you think is so vile about it?

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Postby Corporate whore » 15 Jun 2006, 08:05

Six String wrote:
Snarfyguy wrote:
Baron Bona Fide wrote:Have you people ever heard a Richard Thompson record?


I got that Shoot Out the Lights album pretty recently, but I only played the first side because the production was so vile. Great albums don't sound like this.

I think he's a good guitar player, but I've never sat down and played one of his records - other than some Fairport stuff.


It's not the best sounding RT album, I'll agree. It's the songwriting and performance that make it good. Some of the songs on that album remain on his setlists for good reason. I think his voice is much better these days than back when he was singing with Linda.


If you don't like the official production, you would hate the Joe Rafferty mixes - they really sucked.
In the end the album has so many world class songs that to condemn it for the production is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Postby Corporate whore » 15 Jun 2006, 08:07

Livet wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:They're not especially relevant today, but time and again, on record at least, they come up with the goods and are still astonishingly consistent. I doubt very much RT does the same.


This is where you're making your mistake. I actually prefer Thompson's solo work over Fairport and his stuff with Linda. The most recent CDs I got from him were in 2003 (the Old Kit Bag and More Guitar) both were more than consistent, and More Guitar was superb. I saw him live this year and a couple years ago - great shows. The man still has it (big time).


Both are excellent records - although More Guitar was of course recorded at a gig in the '80's!
But I think that demonstrates the sheer consistency of the man. There are more reasent performances available if you know where to look :wink:
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Postby Deebank » 15 Jun 2006, 10:50

the name is Coan wrote:
The Unique Modernist! wrote:
the name is Coan wrote:I take your point, but you're a few campsites away from Truthtown again.

Who is a hippy, then? Or - who comes to mind when you think 'hippy'?


Mark.E.Smith.

In Rip It Up And Start Again they talk about him taking magic mushrooms, getting involved in weird magic rituals and claiming to have visions. Sounds like hippy behaviour to me.


It's true. A Van Der Graaf Generator fan, too. He's always been a bundle of contradictions, that fella.


Also mates with, and more than happy to tour with, anarcho-hippies Hear & Now (sp) back in the early days. Indeed Grant Showbiz was H&N's sound man before The Mighty Fall poached him to produce some of their stuff.

Was Peter Hamill (a relation of Limahl?) a hippy though?
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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 15 Jun 2006, 11:40

Deebank wrote:Was Peter Hamill (a relation of Limahl?) a hippy though?


Probably not. A collaboration between him and MES was mooted a few years' back - never materialised due to work commitments.

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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 23 Jun 2006, 01:38

We still need two votes.

I'm not letting this go yet!

Fucking cunt hippy

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Postby toomanyhatz » 23 Jun 2006, 01:42

The Legendary John Coan wrote:We still need two votes.

I'm not letting this go yet!

Fucking cunt hippy


And I thought you were coming here to concede.

Shouldn't even be this close.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 23 Jun 2006, 01:45

thankfully, Kurt Cobain has never (to my knowledge) uttered the word "arse"
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Postby Snarfyguy » 23 Jun 2006, 02:16

take5_d_shorterer wrote:
Snarfyguy wrote:Great albums don't sound like this.


Can you be a little more specific? I have my own opinions about the production, but I'd like to hear what you think about it. What do you think is so vile about it?


Corporate Whore wrote:If you don't like the official production, you would hate the Joe Rafferty mixes - they really sucked.
In the end the album has so many world class songs that to condemn it for the production is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


Sorry, I didn't see that this thread had gotten kicked back up last week.

I bought the record six or eight months ago (I think I was with you, Ken - at the WFMU record fair last October or November) and I played the first side around that time and haven't revisited it since then.

Meaning my impressions are not fresh at all. But I recall the sound of the album being too antiseptically clean and sort of flat and thin for my liking.

I also recall that Don't Renege on Our Love seemed like kind of an awkward phrase - this legalese term stuck into an emotional plea.

I'll give it another spin and report back.
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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 23 Jun 2006, 06:58

Snarfyguy wrote:I also recall that Don't Renege on Our Love seemed like kind of an awkward phrase - this legalese term stuck into an emotional plea.


:lol:

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Postby Bungo the Mungo » 15 Oct 2006, 08:42

Still a little way to go here...

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Postby Phil T » 15 Oct 2006, 08:52

It's Baron, y'all wrote:thankfully, Kurt Cobain has never (to my knowledge) uttered the word "arse"


It's never too late...

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Re: The Fall vs Richard Thompson

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 01 Feb 2009, 03:04

There's still time....


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