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Final Beatles song to be released; Red and Blue albums reissued in September (possibly expanded)

Postby toomanyhatz » 04 Aug 2023, 19:13

Bottom line with advanced announcements of what's happening in the Beatles camp - don't even accept what comes directly from them as gospel. Remember the announcement that there'd be new material on the Yellow Submarine songtrack? Turned out not to be true. Paul mentioned AI with the 'new' song then backtracked when people got the wrong idea.

Here we have Penn Jilette's word and nothing else. I don't think he'd intentionally try to deceive anyone (I mean, at least not outside of performance where it's his job), but I also think his interpretation of things could be a) wrong, b) based on what Giles Martin said that hasn't been verified by Paul, Ringo, Olivia, and Yoko, who as we already know from past events are not always on the same page themselves.

To recap, the following, as I understand it, have been rumored for sometime in 2023. ONLY "Now and Then" has been confirmed (and who's to say it won't get delayed?):

Now and Then
Rubber Soul remix/remaster/Super-deluxe
60th anniversary release of Please Please Me
Director's cut of Get Back
Remixed(?), remastered(?), expanded(?) versions of 1962-1966 and 1967-1970 (possibly including post-breakup reconstructions which may or may not require an album title change).

I'm taking an "I'll believe it when it happens" attitude on ALL of this.

Yes, I'm being nitpicky here, but there tends to be a lot of 'announcements' about what's in the making coming from the general public, and they just about always get it (at least somewhat) wrong.
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Re: Final Beatles song to be released; Red and Blue albums reissued in September (possibly expanded)

Postby Limpin' Jez McKenzie » 04 Aug 2023, 19:16

toomanyhatz wrote:Bottom line with advanced announcements of what's happening in the Beatles camp - don't even accept what comes directly from them as gospel. Remember the announcement that there'd be new material on the Yellow Submarine songtrack? Turned out not to be true. Paul mentioned AI with the 'new' song then backtracked when people got the wrong idea.

Here we have Penn Jilette's word and nothing else. I don't think he'd intentionally try to deceive anyone, but I also think his interpretation of things could be a) wrong, b) based on what Giles Martin said that hasn't been verified by Paul, Ringo, Olivia, and Yoko, who as we already know from past events are not always on the same page themselves.

To recap, the following, as I understand it, have been rumored for sometime in 2023. ONLY "Now and Then" has been confirmed (and who's to say it won't get delayed?):

Now and Then
Rubber Soul remix/remaster/Super-deluxe
60th anniversary release of Please Please Me
Director's cut of Get Back
Remixed(?), remastered(?), expanded(?) versions of 1962-1966 and 1967-1970 (possibly including post-breakup reconstructions which may or may not require an album title change).

I'm taking an "I'll believe it when it happens" attitude on ALL of this.

Yes, I'm being nitpicky here, but there tends to be a lot of 'announcements' about what's in the making coming from the general public, and they just about always get it (at least somewhat) wrong.


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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby The Slider » 05 Aug 2023, 15:06

Limpin' Jez McKenzie wrote:You can't have Twist and Shout - the idea behind the Red and Blue albums was that they contained
Beatles originals only.


I'm not sure that was 'the idea' as such. It was never something explicitly spoken.
To be honest, none of their other covers warrant inclusion.

You certainly could include Twist and Shout. You'd just have to pay out 1/38th of the writers' royalties to Bert Berns and Phil Medley :lol:


BTW - not just Beatles originals, but Lennon/McCartney originals
No room for Taxman for example. It is almost good enough for inclusion.
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Postby The Modernist » 05 Aug 2023, 15:34

There's something unseemly about The Beatles industry.

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Postby GoogaMooga » 05 Aug 2023, 15:56

The Modernist wrote:There's something unseemly about The Beatles industry.


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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby Hugh » 05 Aug 2023, 17:42

The Slider wrote:
Limpin' Jez McKenzie wrote:You can't have Twist and Shout - the idea behind the Red and Blue albums was that they contained
Beatles originals only.


I'm not sure that was 'the idea' as such. It was never something explicitly spoken.
To be honest, none of their other covers warrant inclusion.

You certainly could include Twist and Shout. You'd just have to pay out 1/38th of the writers' royalties to Bert Berns and Phil Medley :lol:


BTW - not just Beatles originals, but Lennon/McCartney originals
No room for Taxman for example. It is almost good enough for inclusion.



Two George’s on the Blue Album though.

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Postby Limpin' Jez McKenzie » 05 Aug 2023, 21:29

Hugh wrote:
The Slider wrote:
Limpin' Jez McKenzie wrote:You can't have Twist and Shout - the idea behind the Red and Blue albums was that they contained
Beatles originals only.


I'm not sure that was 'the idea' as such. It was never something explicitly spoken.
To be honest, none of their other covers warrant inclusion.

You certainly could include Twist and Shout. You'd just have to pay out 1/38th of the writers' royalties to Bert Berns and Phil Medley :lol:


BTW - not just Beatles originals, but Lennon/McCartney originals
No room for Taxman for example. It is almost good enough for inclusion.



Two George’s on the Blue Album though.


And Octopus's Garden.
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Postby The Slider » 06 Aug 2023, 00:05

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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby LMG » 06 Aug 2023, 13:11

BARON CORNY DOG wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:Actually, I haven't seen anything to say that the Red and Blue albums are going to be expanded, for that matter.


On the other hand, what better way to sell the damn things again?


Put on a song worthy to sit beside 'She Loves You', 'Help', 'I Am The Walrus' or 'Hey Jude', perhaps?

I am not saying they can, but you asked for a better way.

To use an analogy, when I go to buy semi-skimmed milk each week, should the person at the counter say 'Can I also interest you in this pint of full-fat milk? It is several weeks past its sell-by date, and quite possibly not as rancid as we might assume, given the circumstances', I always reply 'I'm good, thanks'".
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Postby The Slider » 09 Nov 2023, 10:51

Limpin' Jez McKenzie wrote:This is slightly odd, but I knew before I read the list of Slider's tracks that it would fail in one obvious regard.

You can't have Twist and Shout - the idea behind the Red and Blue albums was that they contained
Beatles originals only.


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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby C » 09 Nov 2023, 11:34

Can somebody give me a précis?

Did Slider fucque up!




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Postby The Slider » 09 Nov 2023, 12:22

The Slider wrote::lol:

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Both my and their expanded editions added
I Saw Her Standing There
Twist And Shout
This Boy
I'm Only Sleeping
Here, There And Everywhere
Got To Get You Into My Life
Tomorrow Never Knows

So the differences between my expanded version and the official Beatles one is that they have included:

Roll Over Beethoven (a meh cover)
You Really Got a Hold on Me (a meh cover)
You Can't Do That (a meh original)
If I Needed Someone (balancing up the Harrison estate)
Taxman (ditto)

whereas in their stead my selections were

It Won't Be Long
I Should Have Known Better
The Night Before
You're Going To Lose That Girl
Rain

All Lennon / McCartney originals and in the case of Rain, infinitely better than anything on the official differentials.

As far as the Blue is concerned, is it not a bit odd that they have included the new piece of rubbish but not Real Love or Free as a Bird?
They are either genuine Beatles songs or they are not and if they are they should all be included.
Personally I think the addition of Now and Then stinks it up.
I'd have put the Let it Be tracks back before the Abbey Rd ones and added the side two medley to finish off - the additions of Dear Prudence and Hey Bulldog are welcome enough but the rest I could take or leave.
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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby GoogaMooga » 09 Nov 2023, 17:22

It doesn't make sense. If you're gonna slap the newie on the blue, slap all three on.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Nov 2023, 06:30

Not that anyone asked me, but my solution would have been, if you're absolutely insistent on tying "Now and Then" to the expanded 1967-1970, then yes - you actually need to put all three on. Maybe on a bonus EP? Like, add "I Me Mine" - appropriate because they actually worked on it in 1970 -and call it 1970-2023?

I suspect the marketability of the "new Beatles song" - and your guffaws are welcome at the fact that it hit #1 and Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields stalled behind Engelbert Humperdinck - just outweighed everything else on the table. Guess we'll have to wait longer for that Rubber Soul box.

Not taking the goggles off still, but damn - doesn't Paul have enough money yet?
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Postby The Slider » 13 Nov 2023, 08:17

Can't disagree with any of that
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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby Limpin' Jez McKenzie » 14 Nov 2023, 06:46

The Slider wrote:
Limpin' Jez McKenzie wrote:This is slightly odd, but I knew before I read the list of Slider's tracks that it would fail in one obvious regard.

You can't have Twist and Shout - the idea behind the Red and Blue albums was that they contained
Beatles originals only.


Bet you feel a bit of a cunt now :lol:
Don't worry - you just caught up with the rest of us


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As if I'd be worried...
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Postby Limpin' Jez McKenzie » 14 Nov 2023, 06:55

The new red is much better, even with the moving-the-goalposts addition of covers. But the new blue is not that much better is it? No one would rate I me mine, oh darling or she's so heavy in the same level as the original blue list. I wonder how hard Macca pushed for Maxwell?
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Re: Final Beatles song to be released as part of expanded Red and Blue

Postby Neige » 14 Nov 2023, 13:29

I'm tempted by the red one because of the new remixes.

Less so by the blue.

And I've successfully managed not to hear the "new" track so far and intend it to stay that way.
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Postby The Slider » 14 Nov 2023, 16:06

It is not worth the trouble of avoiding
It is exactly what you would imagine it is
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Postby Limpin' Jez McKenzie » 14 Nov 2023, 17:36

Neige wrote:I'm tempted by the red one because of the new remixes.

Less so by the blue.

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The thing is...
Buying only one is not really a serious option. Why would anyone just get one of them?

It is either both or neither, surely? I have the remastered red and blue from 10/15 years ago, so probably won't get these.
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