LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea: The Magician RIP

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby John aka Josh » 16 Feb 2021, 21:45

LMG wrote:Is it just me, or does this track lean a bit more towards 'filler' than in the direction of 'blowout finale to a terrific album'?

Don't mean to be a wet blanket.





Think it depends very much more on my mood than the rest of the songs - there are times when it seems absolutely amazing, the players are really into describing the dual, and other times when I've not got into it that much and sections seem overblown. Perhaps it would have been better as the penultimate track.
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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby C » 16 Feb 2021, 21:46

LMG wrote:To give them their due, putting this stuff together must have been hellish.

There is a very fine line between virtuoso and full of music on the one hand and self-indulgent and full of hubbard on the other...


Agreed and they've done a really good job!

[says we]

But your original point stands Chris





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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby LMG » 16 Feb 2021, 21:47

C wrote:It's a very good album though





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Excellent!

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby C » 16 Feb 2021, 21:47

John aka Josh wrote:Perhaps it would have been better as the penultimate track.


Yes, I think that's it John





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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby C » 16 Feb 2021, 21:48

A great album in great company

We missed you kath!

Thanks John
Thanks Chris

To absent friends

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

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C wrote:I think they are trying to do a Mahavishnu on this track and slightly lack the credentials.....





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There's something in that.

Prefer Weather Report and Mahavishnu to RTF and tend to reach for them - or nowadays some Jean Luc Ponty - when I'm in the mood.
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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby John aka Josh » 16 Feb 2021, 21:50

Agreed - an excellent album.




Thanks for the company,

To Reap, Loki and Chick,



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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby LMG » 16 Feb 2021, 21:51

John aka Josh wrote:
C wrote:I think they are trying to do a Mahavishnu on this track and slightly lack the credentials.....





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There's something in that.

Prefer Weather Report and Mahavishnu to RTF and tend to reach for them - or nowadays some Jean Luc Ponty - when I'm in the mood.


Just reading Christgau's scathing review from the time:

"Right on schedule, two or three years behind John McLaughlin, Chick Corea tries to eat the fusion cyclotron. Where McLaughlin fell for a few silly orchestral trappings, Corea essays pompous, ersatz-classical compositions--while continuing to display Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke, and Lenny White in all their dazzling vacuity. Jazz-rock's answer to Emerson, Lake & Palmer--the worst of both worlds. D+ "

A bit harsh, surely?

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby LMG » 16 Feb 2021, 21:53

Anyway, I liked it.

Great album, great company.

I hope kath is faring OK.

To all our absent friends.

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea, Tuesday 16th February @ 9pm [UK]

Postby C » 16 Feb 2021, 21:59

LMG wrote:Just reading Christgau's scathing review from the time:

"Right on schedule, two or three years behind John McLaughlin, Chick Corea tries to eat the fusion cyclotron. Where McLaughlin fell for a few silly orchestral trappings, Corea essays pompous, ersatz-classical compositions--while continuing to display Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke, and Lenny White in all their dazzling vacuity. Jazz-rock's answer to Emerson, Lake & Palmer--the worst of both worlds. D+ "

A bit harsh, surely?

:lol:


Agreed!




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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea: The Magician RIP

Postby kath » 16 Feb 2021, 23:25

sorry i missed, y'all. still wi-fi flake out. we are good here. it's the folk in texas in real trouble.

happy mardi gras!

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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea: The Magician RIP

Postby C » 17 Feb 2021, 11:30

kath wrote:sorry i missed, y'all. still wi-fi flake out. we are good here. it's the folk in texas in real trouble.

happy mardi gras!


You too!

We missed you




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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea: The Magician RIP

Postby John aka Josh » 17 Feb 2021, 20:51

kath wrote:sorry i missed, y'all. still wi-fi flake out. we are good here. it's the folk in texas in real trouble.

happy mardi gras!






Glad you're fine.


Have just been hearing about Texas - desperate.
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Re: LL/In Memoriam: Chick Corea: The Magician RIP

Postby mudshark » 23 Feb 2021, 20:26

Sorry I missed all that Jazz. Kind of pre-occupied. Romantic Warrior is the first RtF album I ever heard and I liked it. But upon re-listening I must agree to a certain extent with that Mr. Christgau. It's all a bit pompous. I wouldn't quite compare to ELP because that's the absolute bottom of the barrel of pomposity, but he's not all wrong. I prefer No Mystery. Fresher and less pretentious. And a big shout-out to Latin-Chick! Light as a feather on the 2nd album sounds great to me, as does the entire Captain Marvel. It's a Stan Getz album but several RtF alumni play on it and I think most songs were composed by Corea.
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