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Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jun 2020, 22:46

Here's where Lord Blackmore got the riff from "Smoke on the Water:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xokONwQ ... 1ppQGcwRr4

Sir Ritchie's influence for the "Burn" riff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2VhUI3 ... gs=pl%2Cwn

The honorable Richard's "Fireball" antecedent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPafqXxYAQM

And finally, the origin of "Lazy:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkulcvRkd4I

Oh, what the hell, one more. Here's where Rick got the riff from "Black Night" from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtsMj0J ... gs=pl%2Cwn

or even:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNXRr2aINw

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby 50 Shades Of Blue » 12 Jun 2020, 23:05

That's great :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: to think George Harrison got pumped for "My Sweet Lord" whilst Ritchie the Pink Panther of Rock was choring on a grand scale. He steals riffs from a previous century these days. How come he didn't get challenged back in the day?
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Jun 2020, 23:09

Beats me. It's still nothing compared to Page though.

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 12 Jun 2020, 23:24

"Steppin' Out" may well have influenced/inspired the "Lazy" riff... but they're clearly different riffs.

You got me with "Smoke On The Water" though - never heard that one before!

But you forgot the "Child In Time" theft:


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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 13 Jun 2020, 00:08

Blackmore has admitted in interviews that he took the “Lazy” riff from Clapton.

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 13 Jun 2020, 00:47

That may be, but it's still a different riff.
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 13 Jun 2020, 00:55

Okay, I did. He says "inspired by". I allowed that that may be. You can be "inspired by" something without ripping it off.

In that same clip you can hear the two riffs more or less back to back. Are they the same riff? They are not. Not even all that close.

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 13 Jun 2020, 01:03

LOL. None of the links I provided are the EXACT SAME RIFFS that Blackmore used in Deep Purple. They're all simply the antecedents, or origins of riffs Blackmore used in Purple. Your arbitrary call out to "Steppin' Out" is random, to say the least.

Besides, I can totally hear the similarities. Based on our recent chat regarding that Dead album, I'm not surprised that you can't hear it though.

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby 50 Shades Of Blue » 13 Jun 2020, 20:46

Charlie O. wrote:"Steppin' Out" may well have influenced/inspired the "Lazy" riff... but they're clearly different riffs.

You got me with "Smoke On The Water" though - never heard that one before!

But you forgot the "Child In Time" theft:




That's good as well :D . 6 stolen riffs and no court actions. Very impressive.
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby The Fish » 14 Jun 2020, 10:08

For true theft of a whole song not just a riff look no further thn Malcom "shameless" McLaren

from 1981 and supposedly "written" by Mathew Ashman/Dave Barbarossa/Leigh Gorman/Malcolm McLaren



from 1973

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby The Slider » 14 Jun 2020, 10:57

then there was the War Canoe / Prince Charming issue
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby 50 Shades Of Blue » 14 Jun 2020, 22:47

The Slider wrote:then there was the War Canoe / Prince Charming issue


which was before the Rolf issue. Enjoying this thread.
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 15 Jun 2020, 01:46

Damn, that McLaren lift is shameless! I can't think of entire songs which were purloined but I know plenty of riffs/lyrics. Here's one that I think Pete brought to my attention some years ago. Bobby Parker's "Watch Your Step" was used not once, but twice by the two biggest UK groups of the '60s and '70s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9UlURkGLI

The Beatles changed a few notes and came up with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrAV5EVI4tU

Now, before Charlie becomes apoplectic, no, it's not the same riff - but similar.
Not to be outdone, Led Zeppelin used that riff to come up with their "Toad" homage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwIPiw4_Ba8

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 15 Jun 2020, 02:00

Matt Wilson wrote:The Beatles changed a few notes and came up with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrAV5EVI4tU

Not to mention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZlME0mQB8

(different riff from the same Bobby Parker record)

Matt Wilson wrote:Now, before Charlie becomes apoplectic...

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 15 Jun 2020, 02:03

Here's the evolution of a a classic blues riff. Muddy Waters' "Hoochie Coochie Man" written by Willie Dixon (don't know if he wrote that riff though) in 1954.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxrLOVwsEE

In 1955, Bo Diddley took up the challenge and hit that riff a bit harder for his "I'm a Man."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYti8CIiOak

Not to be outdone, Muddy took back his riff for the seminal "Mannish Boy" that same year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0hfiUa0NHA

Ten years later, the Yardbirds revved up that riff for their version. Jeff Beck's rave up solo in the middle was very influential to garage rockers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdCePtwoW4

Now the Count Five copied that rave up and modified the riff for one of the ultimate garage rock songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTroJlLPRHM

By the time Bowie did his take on it, there was very little Muddy or even Bo left, but he's still doing the Yardbirds rave up in the middle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLbi6y4ktgc

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 15 Jun 2020, 02:05

LOL. So "Steppin Out" isn't the same riff as "Lazy," but "Day Tripper" is the same as "Watch Your Step?"

Hmmm...

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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 15 Jun 2020, 02:39

I'm sorry for your hearing loss, Matt.
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Charlie O. » 15 Jun 2020, 02:44

The "Psychotic Reaction" riff is a modified "Hoochie Coochie Man" riff??

By "modified" do you mean "changed completely"?
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Re: Concerning Ritchie Blackmore and theft

Postby Matt Wilson » 15 Jun 2020, 03:33

"Modified" does mean "changed," Charlie.

Look it up.