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Stephen Stills

Postby C » 26 Apr 2020, 21:30

Elsewhere discussion has taken place regarding Stills 2.

Some think it is very robust- possibly his best, others are not so keen.

So, let's talk about the lad Buffalo Springfield on

The highs and the lows






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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 26 Apr 2020, 21:32

Matt Wilson wrote:Manassas
Stephen Stills


are easily the best,

Down the Road
Illegal Stills
Stills


are all worthy, but there are filler tracks to be found.

About the only things I really like on Stephen Stills 2 are "Change Partners" and "Marianne." I guess "Word Game" and "Know You Got to Run" are okay in a pinch.





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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 26 Apr 2020, 21:34

C wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:Manassas
Stephen Stills


are easily the best,

Down the Road
Illegal Stills
Stills


are all worthy, but there are filler tracks to be found.

About the only things I really like on Stephen Stills 2 are "Change Partners" and "Marianne." I guess "Word Game" and "Know You Got to Run" are okay in a pinch.





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No mention of "Fishes and Scorpions" - shame on you lad







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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Matt Wilson » 26 Apr 2020, 21:35

Great from '66 - '77 (that's a generous timeframe, but I'll stick with it for now). As I mentioned in another thread, Stephen Stills 2 is far and away my least fave from that era (the two hits aside). I've said many times that had the quartet never broken up, had there never been solo or duo albums, they could've been the best band of the '70s through 1977. Of course Neil Young was the best songwriter, but that doesn't mean the others didn't come up with great material for most of those years.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Matt Wilson » 26 Apr 2020, 21:37

C wrote:No mention of "Fishes and Scorpions" - shame on you lad







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Even if that song were a classic, that album would still be his weakest until Thoroughfare Gap.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Apr 2020, 21:37

I'd get it all. Even Thoroughfare Gap, which I had on cassette. That one is HTF on CD. Of the three of them, CSN, I think Stills had the most hit potential. I got his and Crosby's boxes. Don't need the Nash box.

My favorite bit is in Suite: Judy Blue Eyes, when he sings in Spanish.
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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Apr 2020, 21:39

Matt Wilson wrote:Great from '66 - '77 (that's a generous timeframe, but I'll stick with it for now). As I mentioned in another thread, Stephen Stills 2 is far and away my least fave from that era (the two hits aside). I've said many times that had the quartet never broken up, had there never been solo or duo albums, they could've been the best band of the '70s through 1977. Of course Neil Young was the best songwriter, but that doesn't mean the others didn't come up with great material for most of those years.


I look at them as a constellation, one entity, CSNY in various permutations. They are the American Beatles of the 70s.
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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Matt Wilson » 26 Apr 2020, 21:40

Even though half of the group wasn't American? They all are now of course.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Six String » 26 Apr 2020, 21:44

His first album and the first Manassas album are clearly his best. I doubt anyone would disagree. I didn't own Stephen Stills 2 or Down The Road until within the last ten years so I don't know them as well. Stills had several good songs on them and it was the last one I bought. I've heard Illegal Stills but that was so long ago (back when it was newish) that I have no memory of any songs.

I suppose there are many artists that don't have more than four or five decent to good albums in them so it's not surprising Stills is no different other than the fact that those couple of albums are so amazing they created expectations. I suppose nowadays if zi want to hear Stephen I play Manassas or the first solo album and move on to something else. Age is not helping his game at all.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Apr 2020, 21:48

Matt Wilson wrote:Even though half of the group wasn't American? They all are now of course.


I know, but they were based in America, recorded in America, but sure, it's a problem. Same goes for Fleetwood Mac. In comics, Jean Graton was French, but he moved to Belgium and drew "Michel Vaillant" for a Belgian publisher. So I'd consider MV a Belgian comic, Graton a Belgian artist.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 26 Apr 2020, 21:51

Six String wrote:His first album and the first Manassas album are clearly his best.


It's horses for courses Les my dear friend

I have always considered Stills 2 to have the edge on the eponymous debut.

I love both but I adore 2 a little bit more

[I am playing the debut now as I type]

I would agree with you re: the two Manassas albums - the first was a tight cohesive coherent band firing on all cylinders the second - the cracks began to show as Stephen's ego started to resurface.

The live album Stephen Stills Live is incredibly robust but I have always been disappointed it is so short. Surely they can find the rest of the concert somewhere....?






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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Six String » 26 Apr 2020, 23:30

Of course Stephen, of course. I'll give SS2 a spin soon and see what I think.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby robertff » 27 Apr 2020, 10:59

Really like his Buffalo Springfield stuff, his CSN&Y stuff, some of Manassas and some of his first, after that pretty well does it for me. Of the four, CSN&Y, after that initial burst of creativity, I find his work the least interesting.


From what I've read/heard his temperament seemed to crash in on his undisputed talent.


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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 27 Apr 2020, 14:16

robertff wrote:From what I've read/heard his temperament seemed to crash in on his undisputed talent.


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and ego

and drugs






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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 28 Apr 2020, 14:31

Springfield albums were a bit inconsistent - weren't they...?





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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby robertff » 28 Apr 2020, 16:39

C wrote:Springfield albums were a bit inconsistent - weren't they...
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Have to say that I really like them C. even the last one has its moments.


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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Apr 2020, 18:02

C wrote:Springfield albums were a bit inconsistent - weren't they...?





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Lord no, they're awesome.

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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 28 Apr 2020, 22:08

Matt Wilson wrote:
C wrote:Springfield albums were a bit inconsistent - weren't they...?





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Lord no, they're awesome.


Awesome, but inconsistent






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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Apr 2020, 23:24

Like Stephen Stills 2 you mean?



Just kidding C.


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Re: Stephen Stills

Postby C » 28 Apr 2020, 23:56

Matt Wilson wrote:Like Stephen Stills 2 you mean?



Just kidding C.


:D


No Matt - fair point.

Horses for courses as we Brits say

Horses for courses





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