Qobuz v Tidal v Spotify and £5,000 per metre speaker cable

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Re: Qobuz v Tidal v Spotify and £5,000 per metre speaker cable

Postby C » 05 Mar 2020, 14:56

Hugh wrote:I know that all cables don’t sound the same because I have heard the differences for myself


I agree - good cables and interconnects definitely make a difference

The first time I upgraded to some decent speaker cables I couldn't believe the improved difference - it was remarkable.

These were the first good cables I bought back in 1984 (they were a different two-colour 'weave' back in my day):

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Postby C » 05 Mar 2020, 15:06

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Hugh wrote:I started to read that but anyone who writes “a digital signal is literally a string of zeros and ones” doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.


Really? Why not?


I am not an expert on hifi and digital music but I do understand Boolean algebra regarding 0s and 1s.

a x b => a and b [in line]

a+b => a or b [in parallel]

Analog processors operate directly on the electrical signal, while digital processors operate mathematically on its digital representation

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Re: Qobuz v Tidal v Spotify and £5,000 per metre speaker cable

Postby mentalist (slight return) » 06 Mar 2020, 00:45

£6,000 for 5 metres of speaker cable, reminds me of Robin Williams on Cocaine, god's way of telling you you are making too much money.
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Postby C » 12 Mar 2020, 09:54

Tangerine Dream's Phaedra and Rubycon (at least) not on Qobuz (samples only) but both aforementioned on Spotify.

Why is that?




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Postby C » 15 Mar 2020, 15:07

Can somebody explain the royalties and streaming thing for me please?

I know how much a band gets every time 30 seconds or more is streamed but what about if I download an album into 'my library'....?






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Postby C » 17 Mar 2020, 18:01

C wrote:Tangerine Dream's Phaedra and Rubycon (at least) not on Qobuz (samples only) but both aforementioned on Spotify.

Why is that?




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Re: Qobuz v Tidal v Spotify and £5,000 per metre speaker cable

Postby Hugh » 17 Mar 2020, 19:26

It’s probably a licensing issue. You sometimes see albums that have been available becoming unavailable for a while. It’s the only issue of streaming that I have an issue with.

Both are available to buy as a download on the Qobuz store.

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Postby C » 17 Mar 2020, 19:57

Hugh wrote:Both are available to buy as a download on the Qobuz store.


Thanks John

I own them both and have done so for 50 years.

I tend to play the stuff I have elsewhere for convenience.

It is very odd - two of TD's most popular albums

Spotify have them both...





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Postby frimley_greener » 18 Mar 2020, 18:50

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Look..no wires! Roon core on pc,Roon bridge on tablet....then wifi to Onkyo NS6130 network player.....audio out via main system,display via chromecast to smart tv....men,it can be done:)
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Perhaps not:(
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p. Ten years here and still cannot post an image!
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Postby Hugh » 18 Mar 2020, 20:27

Roon is fabulous. I have a Roon Nucleus+ that feeds endpoints in two rooms. Frimley–Greener, you should have a look at a raspberry pi-based endpoint/DAC.

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Postby frimley_greener » 19 Mar 2020, 04:18

For what particular reason Hugh? M y Onkyo can handle all hi-res files as far as I know....what would a Raspberry bring to the table?
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Postby Hugh » 19 Mar 2020, 06:53

frimley_greener wrote:For what particular reason Hugh? M y Onkyo can handle all hi-res files as far as I know....what would a Raspberry bring to the table?



Can you explain the “Roon bridge on tablet” bit?

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Postby frimley_greener » 19 Mar 2020, 10:27

Hugh: The Roon core is on the p.c...that is cast wirelessly to Roon remote on my tablet...from there to my network player for audio,and I use chromecast to mirror the Roon display from the tablet to the smart tv....
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frimley_greener wrote:p. Ten years here and still cannot post an image!

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Postby Hugh » 19 Mar 2020, 19:19

frimley_greener wrote:Hugh: The Roon core is on the p.c...that is cast wirelessly to Roon remote on my tablet...from there to my network player for audio,and I use chromecast to mirror the Roon display from the tablet to the smart tv....


Ah, gotcha. The Roon remote is a different thing to Roon bridge so that confused me. The smart TV display is a nice touch Is the Onkyo playing hi res files at full resolution or is Roon downsampling them?

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Postby frimley_greener » 20 Mar 2020, 04:42

That is the next "test" Hugh....on paper the Onkyo(since the update) should be able to handle all high res formats....but I am relatively new to the finer points of Roon, and I think as well as showing what format the file was rendered in, there is also a "button" on the "now playing" page that shows exactly what Roon is sending to the end point in terms of fidelity.
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Re: Qobuz v Tidal v Spotify and £5,000 per metre speaker cable

Postby Hugh » 20 Mar 2020, 07:01

Yes, there is a little “light” on the now playing screen. The colour of that light indicates the playback quality. If you click on the light it will open a “workflow that shows the resolution of the source file and whether Roon is applying any adjustments. I suspect (although I may be wrong) that Roon will be downscaling any hi re files to CD quality. A raspberry pi would allow you to install the Roon bridge software. The signal then goes to the pi before your Onkyo and is passed to the Onkyo at full resolution.