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HMV going into administration

Postby the masked man » 28 Dec 2018, 09:22

So, it is expected that HMV will go back into administration later today. This could mean that there is no longer a music retail chain left on the High Street (doesn’t HMV also own Fopp?). The chain is far from perfect but I would miss it. I often spend happy hours looking round the large Peterborough branch.

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Postby Toby » 28 Dec 2018, 10:53

I think I've bought one thing in HMV in 10 years and that was Red Dead Redemption 2 because I wanted it there and then.

I will not miss it, but the HMV Oxford St branch did have a very fine Classical music section for awhile.

As someone tweeted, "why is it any surprise HMV is going into administration when all they do is sell Chopper DVDs for £3?"

The fact is that the physical medium of entertainment is disappearing fast. I've bought one film DVD in probably 5 or 6 years and that's because it's not available in any other format. With physical mediums going, the shops that carry them will go to. We will and are inevitably returning to specialist retailers and that to me is a good thing. People with actual knowledge of stuff will sell goods, rather than drab polo-shirted youths looking puzzled when you ask if they sell Eric Rohmer films.

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Postby ever/never » 28 Dec 2018, 11:12

Oh shut up you patronising twat

I was in HMV yesterday and came away with an armful of stuff. Best of all was the Blu-ray of The Florida Project for £2.99

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Postby Darkness_Fish » 28 Dec 2018, 11:15

It's quite annoying, as they're literally just about to open a shop in Wigan town centre for the first time in 5 years, I saw the new sign while Christmas shopping. I'd miss the place, I still buy quite often from them, if just when bored at lunch time. I didn't have to join the humongous queue at Game in Manchester either, when Super Smash Bros came out, there was no-one in HMV, so I bought it there.

Can't say I'm surprised, CDs and DVDs are practically worthless, and the vinyl is overpriced. I suppose all they've got left are those weird Marvel toys with oversized nodding heads.
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Postby The Modernist » 28 Dec 2018, 11:33

The last time I was in one -just before Christmas- it was really full. Obviously that's a particular time of year, but I'm not convinced that there is as little demand as they say. I think there's still a sizable minority who enjoy looking through the racks.

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Postby Powehi » 28 Dec 2018, 11:41

The Modernist wrote:The last time I was in one -just before Christmas- it was really full. Obviously that's a particular time of year, but I'm not convinced that there is as little demand as they say. I think there's still a sizable minority who enjoy looking through the racks.


Problem is that once they've found something after looking through the racks, they go home and order it off Amazon.

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Postby backwards7 » 28 Dec 2018, 11:57

I was an HMV customer until mid 2018 when it seemed that I was constantly having to return purchases that were damaged or defective, mostly the former. I got the impression that stock wasn't being stored very well. The final straw came when I got home and found that the bar-coded sticker price on something I had bought was different from what I had been charged; I had paid more than I should have. I am pretty poor at the moment and it wasn't something I could just shrug off. It was one of those unbearably hot days last Summer and I had to trudge back into town and get it all sorted. I swore then that I would never set foot in that HMV again and I haven't.

I don't want a retail experience that requires me to maintain a high state of vigilance to ensure I am not being ripped off or buying defective merchandise. I wrote to HMV and informed them that they were losing a customer who had stood with them for 30 years.

I hope Fopp can survive in some form.

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Postby trans-chigley express » 28 Dec 2018, 12:08

Every branch in Hong Kong (7 of them I think) closed down last week

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Postby Diamond Dog » 28 Dec 2018, 12:19

They have a bizarre pricing structure - you will find really good deals on some items (they recently did better deals on the Kate Bush vinyl & CD sets - markedly so- than Amazon, so much so that Amazon had to match the HMV deal, for instance) yet you'll find a mid 80's cheap 3CD compilation for £24 or such. Very odd - you really had to search through everything to get the bargains because their 'sales' contained full price stuff, yet they had good deals in their 'regular' catalogues.
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Postby Neil Jung » 28 Dec 2018, 13:16

I popped into the Guildford branch before Xmas and was quickly asked by an eager youth if I needed help finding anything... I must have looked old and bewildered. I noticed the vinyl was ludicrously expensive and the CDs cheap. Didn’t buy anything of course.
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Postby Goat Boy » 28 Dec 2018, 17:41

You get some decent stuff in the sales but, truthfully, I've set foot in an HMV a handful of times in the last few years and I haven't actually bought anything.

It doesn't bother me really because I get my stuff elsewhere but I'll always have SUCH fond memories of putting together a list of wanted items and browsing away for a few hours. The thrill of leaving a shop with an armful of unheard cds or whatever can never be replicated by online shopping.

I'd like to think there is still room for a major high street chain to operate but clearly times are changing and young people don't fetishise the owning of culture like we do but surely to christ there are enough of us old bastards who still like to buy stuff to keep something like HMV going nationwide, for a time anyway. It just seems like they don't really know what their market is. Hipsters into overpriced vinyl? Charity shop junkees looking for bargains?

Maybe I just like the idea of an HMV. A connection to my youth or some shit.
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Postby Toby » 28 Dec 2018, 19:26

I remember when I ran a tiny indie label, seeing our first release in the singles section of HMV Croydon made me rush my tits off (RMTO).

The whole process of acquiring music has gone through such a quantum change for me at least, but I do have good memories of the 90s and the sheer amount of music that was available in places like HMV, Tower and Virgin. However, I have always gravitated to independent shops, particularly as dance music was only available in those places, so the passing of these behemoths doesn't register on the emotional scale for me. I never had a chat with an HMV employee for example, whereas at Big Apple in Croydon, John behind the counter would fish out 20 to 30 records to listen to when I did my monthly shop.

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Postby Graham Murakami » 28 Dec 2018, 21:21

There is nothing to buy. I am an adult and don't want toys. I have Tidal, so CDs have no interest. I have a kindle and am an adult, so their books have no interest for me. There is an independent record shop in my city, like something out of a film, so I have no interest in the HMV's vinyl selection. I still go in and look, but I used to spend £100 a month, every month in HMV and didn't spend a penny last year.

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Postby Pool Hall Richard » 28 Dec 2018, 23:18

A few months back they had colour vinyl special editions. Blondie Parallel Lines colour vinyl £24.99 yet the black vinyl in same store, £13.99. What's that about?? I walk in the store often and shake my head at the prices. I won't miss HMV but will do if Fopp goes.

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Postby never/ever » 29 Dec 2018, 00:00

Those special edition color vinyls were a spearpoint in Universals' music campaign this year. Ridiculously overpriced but the hipsters dove on it like flies on fresh shit.
Meanwhile ordinary vinyl release-sales were stunted, hence the price-drops and freezes.
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Postby Hugh » 29 Dec 2018, 00:30

Graham Murakami wrote:There is nothing to buy. I am an adult and don't want toys. I have Tidal, so CDs have no interest. I have a kindle and am an adult, so their books have no interest for me. There is an independent record shop in my city, like something out of a film, so I have no interest in the HMV's vinyl selection. I still go in and look, but I used to spend £100 a month, every month in HMV and didn't spend a penny last year.


This. Absolutely. I have Tidal and am trialling Qobuz. I have no need to buy a CD. I’m aware that there people who feel the need to own physical media but I am not one of those. Quality of reproduction is the only thing I am interested in and I have that. Some people have tried to persuade me that I need to keep buying CDs because artistes make less from streaming but, quite honestly, the genie is out of the bottle on that and it is not my responsibility to keep buying a technology that I no longer have any use for.

I do feel sorry for the people who will lose jobs - I provided redundancy support to HMV employees in the last round of closures - and I worry about the future of retail in general, but the industry will need to adapt to survive.

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Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Dec 2018, 06:01

Graham Murakami wrote:There is nothing to buy. I am an adult and don't want toys. I have Tidal, so CDs have no interest. I have a kindle and am an adult, so their books have no interest for me. There is an independent record shop in my city, like something out of a film, so I have no interest in the HMV's vinyl selection.


Why would you go in there at all? .
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Postby Jeemo » 29 Dec 2018, 09:10

Its the closest shop to me that has stuff I'm interested in. The local independent shop is terrible, mostly full of over priced second stuff. Hmv isnt perfect but they cater more to me and what I want to buy.

They have a jazz and a folk sections as well as a decent UHD movie section. Plus the standard rock pop stuff. The one close to me always seems busy hopefully it survives in some format.
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Postby Graham Murakami » 29 Dec 2018, 21:10

Diamond Dog wrote:
Graham Murakami wrote:There is nothing to buy. I am an adult and don't want toys. I have Tidal, so CDs have no interest. I have a kindle and am an adult, so their books have no interest for me. There is an independent record shop in my city, like something out of a film, so I have no interest in the HMV's vinyl selection.


Why would you go in there at all? .


You are right, but I did used to spend lots of money there and even more online, so a few things drag me back...

Habit. Hoping it will be different. Nostalgia for the high street. Missing the satisfaction of going home from the shops with a bag of something. To check that the daft Felt 7" boxes haven't come down in price.

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Postby Powehi » 30 Dec 2018, 09:14

Was amazed to find the HMV in Reading Oracle still open when I got back to the UK just before Xmas - even if the queues were much, much shorter than in previous years. Must have made about £100 of impulse CD and DVD purchases across my two visits to the store but I guess there's just not enough of us physical product fans left for them to be able to sustain their business.

About 10 years ago, Reading had 2 x HMV stores, FOPP, Virgin, Our Price and one very good specialist shop. WIth the exception of the specialist shop, every one of them has now gone.

It was sad to see that almost every major chain with a shop in the city centre was having some sort of sale - ended up buying two pairs of lovely Clarks shoes for less than £70. Hard to see shops like this surviving for much longer when they have to offer up tp 60% off the last Saturday before Xmas. Soon, it'll be just the supermarkets (some of which already act as mini-malls and offer clothes, pharmaceuticals, glasses, books and haircuts), and one would imagine Amazon if they move - and they surely will - into areas like groceries.