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Postby Hightea » 05 Dec 2018, 16:32

Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïẁ Kommandöh(Zuehl) - you could argue an earlier album but it came together here.

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I think it's a stretch to say it invented Calypso, but I would agree that it was very influential on the genre.

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Postby Walk In My Shadow » 05 Dec 2018, 17:47

Dire Straits - that guitar.


And no, it didn't come from The Shadows.
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Postby Walk In My Shadow » 05 Dec 2018, 17:48

And that Punk/Mariachi band Frank likes so much.
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Postby Count Machuki » 05 Dec 2018, 17:55

Walk In My Shadow wrote:Dire Straits - that guitar.


And no, it didn't come from The Shadows.


I though Headband Rock had been around a little while before them. At least since Springsteen.
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Re: Albums (or singles) that invented an entire genre

Postby bobzilla77 » 05 Dec 2018, 18:21

Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (rap)

That's a good example of a record that looks like it invents a genre. The legend of Sugarhill Gang is that they were basically dudes from New Jersey who liked the rappers they saw in NYC, so they just stole some of their rhymes and went in the studio. And made maybe the most influentiual record of all time. It's a rip off! But it's still undeniably a real thing.

All I can say, I bet Cold Crush wishes they had taken up Sylvia Robinson and went in the studio with her instead of leaving it to those wack pizza delivery guys.
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bobzilla77 wrote:Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (rap)

That's a good example of a record that looks like it invents a genre. The legend of Sugarhill Gang is that they were basically dudes from New Jersey who liked the rappers they saw in NYC, so they just stole some of their rhymes and went in the studio. And made maybe the most influentiual record of all time. It's a rip off! But it's still undeniably a real thing.

All I can say, I bet Cold Crush wishes they had taken up Sylvia Robinson and went in the studio with her instead of leaving it to those wack pizza delivery guys.


Good points! I just played that first Sugarhill Gang LP the other day and had to check that I hadn't gotten the wrong record in the sleeve...more than half of it is just corny disco.
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Count Machuki wrote:What did this invent?


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Postby Walk In My Shadow » 05 Dec 2018, 18:53

Count Machuki wrote:
Walk In My Shadow wrote:Dire Straits - that guitar.


And no, it didn't come from The Shadows.


I though Headband Rock had been around a little while before them. At least since Springsteen.



It's not about the headband, Count. It's the guitar sound.
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Rayge wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:What did this invent?


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Postby Nervous Ned » 05 Dec 2018, 19:20

I’d love to know why anyone would claim Low invented electro pop when it is clearly not electro pop itself! Kraftwerk had already released Autobahn and Radioactivity and can lay a better claim to that title.
Regarding Discreet Music being the first ambient album; Tangerine Dream’s Zeit predates it by 3 years and is clearly ambient in nature, if not name. Also Eno was influenced by Froese and was effusive in his tribute to Edgar on his death.

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Count Machuki wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (rap)

That's a good example of a record that looks like it invents a genre. The legend of Sugarhill Gang is that they were basically dudes from New Jersey who liked the rappers they saw in NYC, so they just stole some of their rhymes and went in the studio. And made maybe the most influentiual record of all time. It's a rip off! But it's still undeniably a real thing.

All I can say, I bet Cold Crush wishes they had taken up Sylvia Robinson and went in the studio with her instead of leaving it to those wack pizza delivery guys.


Good points! I just played that first Sugarhill Gang LP the other day and had to check that I hadn't gotten the wrong record in the sleeve...more than half of it is just corny disco.


You could argue rap was invented by The Last Poets though.

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Count Machuki wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (rap)

That's a good example of a record that looks like it invents a genre. The legend of Sugarhill Gang is that they were basically dudes from New Jersey who liked the rappers they saw in NYC, so they just stole some of their rhymes and went in the studio. And made maybe the most influentiual record of all time. It's a rip off! But it's still undeniably a real thing.

All I can say, I bet Cold Crush wishes they had taken up Sylvia Robinson and went in the studio with her instead of leaving it to those wack pizza delivery guys.


Good points! I just played that first Sugarhill Gang LP the other day and had to check that I hadn't gotten the wrong record in the sleeve...more than half of it is just corny disco.


You could argue rap was invented by The Last Poets though.


Oh, man, the "first rap song" discussion is way more fun than the "first rock song" discussion.

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Not sure I could really claim it "created a genre," though.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 05 Dec 2018, 21:27

Possessed, a Bay Area thrash metal band, is said to have invented death metal with its album, Seven Churches. 1985.

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Postby Hightea » 05 Dec 2018, 21:36

Nervous Ned wrote:I’d love to know why anyone would claim Low invented electro pop when it is clearly not electro pop itself! Kraftwerk had already released Autobahn and Radioactivity and can lay a better claim to that title.
Regarding Discreet Music being the first ambient album; Tangerine Dream’s Zeit predates it by 3 years and is clearly ambient in nature, if not name. Also Eno was influenced by Froese and was effusive in his tribute to Edgar on his death.

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Postby SWIMMING POOL HARRINGTON » 05 Dec 2018, 21:44

Nervous Ned wrote:I’d love to know why anyone would claim Low invented electro pop when it is clearly not electro pop itself! Kraftwerk had already released Autobahn and Radioactivity and can lay a better claim to that title.


What rot!

Bowie sped it up, added tunes, took it to the top ten.
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Postby Darkness_Fish » 05 Dec 2018, 22:54

Nervous Ned wrote:Regarding Discreet Music being the first ambient album; Tangerine Dream’s Zeit predates it by 3 years and is clearly ambient in nature, if not name. Also Eno was influenced by Froese and was effusive in his tribute to Edgar on his death.

I've always considered it quite impressive how Enough managed to invent an entire genre shortly after traveling to Germany to hang around with a bunch of musicians playing quiet electronic music. And only 30 years after musique concrete, too.
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Postby pcqgod » 05 Dec 2018, 23:20

Psychedelia

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bobzilla77 wrote:Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (rap)

That's a good example of a record that looks like it invents a genre. The legend of Sugarhill Gang is that they were basically dudes from New Jersey who liked the rappers they saw in NYC, so they just stole some of their rhymes and went in the studio. And made maybe the most influentiual record of all time. It's a rip off! But it's still undeniably a real thing.

All I can say, I bet Cold Crush wishes they had taken up Sylvia Robinson and went in the studio with her instead of leaving it to those wack pizza delivery guys.


This was released before Rapper's Delight, but wasn't as popular.



You could also argue that rappers just took their rhymes from toasting on reggae records, which I would bet Kool Herc, who was Jamaican, played, or was heard in the Bronx coming from Jamaican immigrants.
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